P.O.N. Seminars 1992

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A Simple Stone of Eternity via the Caraway Stone - Elements of the Caraway Stone

Lecturer: Patrice Malézé
Commentary by Russ House is indicated as [RH: ...]

All that we are speaking on now are the elements of the problem. Jean said it was the stone of eternity. That leads to the stone of eternity, but these are also elements to make the caraway stone. So in order to have that kind of caraway stone, this is how it's done now.

Procedure: You make a tincture of caraway with 99 % alcohol. Has everybody worked on caraway? Can you make tinctures with plants and alcohol? Fine. First of all we will make a stone out of the three products and the salt, sulfur, and the alcohol of course.

The first work will be to make a tincture. We will distill it so that you get it loaded because you cannot get alcohol out of caraway. So what you will do is get alcohol out of wine first and make a tincture on the plant. O.K.? Once you have the tincture (of) the plant you will distill this alcohol and make it as pure as possible 99 %. Keep it aside. Are you familiar with absolute alcohol?

To get the essential oil of a plant or the sulfur, we have (a oil separator device) Do you all know what this is? (shows it) O.K.? So you extract from the caraway the essential oil. You will distill it so many times that it doesn't leave anything on the flask. O.K.? (So) that the essential oil doesn't leave anything (residue) on the flask. It becomes white. Is everybody familiar with this?

Q. Steam distill?

A. Steam distill. Yes, of course.

Q. Isn't it 99% and not 99 degrees?

A. 99 % O.K. Fine.

Q. Something's not clear to me. You're going to get a tincture then distill the alcohol, then we're going to get an essential alcohol then?

A. Because otherwise the alcohol is not marked with the plant.

Q. Then it's going to smell like caraway then?

A. No. Because when you distill it 2 or 3 times it's going to be alcohol, but it has just been marked with the plant O.K.?

Q. The essential oil - will leave residue?

A. No. There's no residue. You have a tincture - oh yeah - the first time you have a small residue, but what's interesting is you get the alcohol but you want to mark it with the plant.

So you have the alcohol, put it aside, then you all know how to make the essential oils? O.K. put them aside.

Q. (Not easily heard.)

A. You take a seed, get the essential oil out of it. Maybe you have 10cc's, pour it again in the flask, steam it again and you get about the same quantity, except that all the bad things have been left in the flask. O.K.?

O.K. And the seeds are dried and once they are dried you can get salt out of them. The salts are - you make solve coagula with Angel Water which is water of Angel Water. Or Angel of Angel water. [RH: This was a joke since Albertus called the deliquescent salts of tartar "Angel Water", whereas LPN-France used the term to refer to the water distilled from this deliquescent salt.]

Q. How much caraway is going to be used generally?

A. 10 kilos - 20 lbs.

Q. Can you use the leaves of the plant?

A. No, we use the seeds. I'm sorry. You never use the leaves because what you find in the shop is seeds. If you grow the plant yourself, if you don't have enough seeds, you could calcine the entire plant. But what you want is to have is the essential oils and this is what will be very interesting to have. You need the seed because this is where the oil is. So you'll have enough salt. O.K.?

Q. (Not easily heard.)

A. The seeds once you've extracted the essential oil, you dry the (extracted) seeds and calcine it, and you get the salt, and then put them (salts) in the Angel Water. Right.

Q. You leach the ashes of the caraway calcination?

A. Oh yes, solve coagula. (In the) regular (way).

Q. Then you add the salt to Angel Water?

A. Right. Once you have the first salt purified, then you put Angel Water in it, not Angel Water - Angel Angel Water. [RH: This means the water distilled from the deliquescent salt of tartar.]

Q. How do you get that again?

A. That was before. You take potassium carbonate or tartar oil, what we call tartar oil or potassium carbonate and let it deliquesce, (then distill it) and the water you get is Angel Water.

Q. One more stupid question One for now.

A. You always ask them.

Q. Question about alcohol?

A. Yes. Once you've taken the alcohol out of the half pound, you can use it here. You mean the volume - yes you're determining it on the plant.

Q. (Not easy to hear.)

A. What happens is you have calcined the seeds, just like for any plant O.K.? and you get the salt. Yes, you have to evaporate slowly [RH: the water used in the Solve Coagula] to get every salt out of here and then put this in the Angel Water. We could say fire water - I don't know it's a - it would be better because after all it's water that's got Fire in it (of deliquescence). That's all we're interested in. Having the salt charged with Fire. So this is the aim of charging the potassium carbonate.

O.K. So we get the crystallized salt purified, crystallized, and loaded with Fire.

Q. By evaporating the Angel Water off?

A. Well, same solve coagula but it's Angel Water. Not angel water, Angel Angel Water. "Fire water", that's a good name.

Once you have these three products - Mercury (alcohol), essential oil (sulfur), and salt (crystals), is everybody familiar what to do with them? No?

This (salt) here must be crystallized once you've evaporated from the last time. This has to be done 2 or 3 times by the way - because you won't load it with fire in just one solve coagula. O.K. Once it's done these salts here you crystallize them. Once crystallized you crush them into very, very fine powder and you imbibe them (powdered salts) with the oil. O.K. You imbibe the salts, which you have put in a flask and we will show you the special kind of flask we use so that no other essential oil contaminates the salts. (Note: Parasitic odors can ruin the opened salts unless kept sealed from exposure.) Because when these salts are here crystallized and that you put the first essential oil, it opens the salt, what happens when the sulfur opens (the salt) they (the salts) are like magnets, they would pull out any other sulfur (odors etc) they would be contaminated by some other sulfur. So what you have to do first is be very careful - and we have some flasks there - Jean has brought one, and we will show you how we can do it without contamination.

Q. (About using clean water after pouring back the essential oil to get rid of the resinous part of the oil.)

A. Yes, use clean water.

Once it's been imbibed you put it in the incubator and this would be at like 40 C and it's preferable to do it on Wednesday. So if you get the caraway stone it's a Hod Stone (Marc returns with the security flask, or egg, for incubation) and every Wednesday you can imbibe with the essential oil, on the salt. Here is the special kind of flask we can use - well, you don't have to have it round like this - you can have it any shape, but what's necessary to have is that you put a cork on it.

Right, this is how it looks like, and here is a little device that allows you to work the salt. See here? (Patrice turns the device inside the flask) how it works? It's just a bent glass tube. To put the sulfur without any contamination, and then here Lucille (Gerbaut) had an idea to put the essential oil in this syringe and with the syringe here (placed into the tube on top of the flask) you can imbibe (the salt crystals) with just what's needed.

Once this is done, close this little tube. You saturate (the salt) with oil until you can see - like an oil surface, then you stop - turn (the glass stirrer) and you put it in the incubator. The next (Wednesday) do it again (imbibe and stir) several times and after some time the salts do not take any more oils. Then when it's done you take the alcohol and do the same thing (imbibe, stir, and incubate weekly) and charge the salt. For those of you who wear silk shirts, you can wrap that (flask) with the silk and you can wipe it with the silk and it gives a magnetic aspect to the stone O.K.?

But you mustn't put this on metal, of course. Protect it from any metal otherwise it would be depolarized.

Q. (Question about the incubator)

A. Yes, it's a warm place 40 C and this (flask) is placed out of the light -- no light -- at 40 C, and leave it there during the week. When you take it out you imbibe it, the stone every week.

Q. You don't let the glass touch the metal, huh?

A. Well, provided you charged it with magnetic aspects.

Q. If you don't do that then you can rest it on metal?

A. Right, this is glass.

Q. Is it the same in other kingdoms, imbibing the salt, instead of plants?

A. Yes, but not in the same way, I mean it's technically completely different, but you do the same.

We have good experience with caraway, but you can do it (make a stone) with lavender also, because lavender is also a plant of Hod. Probably some other plants of Hod would do, but the problem is to get enough of that (essential) oil. But only the caraway gives that much oil and lavender gives that much oil.

Q. Is it flowers of lavender?

A. Yes, flowers of lavender.

Q. When you imbibe, how do you know when there's enough (oil)?

A. Yes, the salt doesn't take anymore (oil) so it starts floating on the top. So you will see otherwise there will be too much oil.

Q. When you put salt in there (flask) do you put the mercury in there with it?

A. No. At the beginning it's only salt and oil, and then it's going to be mercury (alcohol) on top of that. And you will do it (imbibe it) again with mercury (alcohol) O.K.? Same thing.

(Note: More of the same type of questions and answers here.)

Q. After this thing is completed, is there any other process further on it to make it useful as a medicine?

A. Eat it! (Laughs.) I hope you will all try this, you can do this with all the plants in your environment that give oil. It's your experiment.

Q. A question about contaminated (caraway) seeds.?

A. We can't help with that problem. It's up to you.

Q. (Question about using different plants for making stones.)

A. You'll have to contact L.P.N. France for people with lots of experience for that information. [RH: One would now contact The Philosophers of Nature.]

Q. (Not easy to hear.)

A. You need much, but there's another path here explaining how you can get rid of bad work that is extracting salts, this is semi-synthetic stones.

Q. When it's extremely dry in the U.S. what can we do about his? Can we use rain water or snow?

A. Snow you cannot use, it's contaminated. I would move. (Laughs.)

Q. Could we use potassium carbonate?

A. Maybe someone with good equipment could, but even in the high desert with the butter of antimony it's possible to (get good deliquescence).

Q. At 9000 ft. in Colorado (can I use) snow water?

A. Use butter of antimony. No. Because with rain water you wouldn't get the same amount of Fire in the potassium carbonate. That's why. And you wouldn't get rid of the contamination of all the minerals and things like this that even is in the rain water. And to get very pure rain water is very hard.


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