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Alchemy Academy archive February 2002 Back to alchemy academy archives. Subject: ACADEMY : Recognising gold Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 From: Rafal T. Prinke Hereward Tilton wrote: > True, there are many stories of transmutation > floating around in the 16th and 17th centuries... for example, the > Testament of Abbot John Cremer of Westminster speaks of > Ramon Lull's production of gold for King Edward of England, > who used the wealth to wage war on France. But there never > was an Abbot John Cremer of Westminster, nor did Ramon > Lull visit England, and nor did Lull believe in the transmutation > of metals. The fact that there are such naive apocryphal stories does not prove that all the others are also literary inventions. There are at least some which are most certainly descriptions of actual events by their participants, and those credible eye-witnesses were convinced they saw genuine transmutations. > Were there some remarkable means of producing > gold from base metals (as some of the correspondents in this > thread seem to be suggesting), that metal would long since have > lost its value as a standard in international exchange, and we > would have started using a substance slightly more immune to > human artifice (cowrie shells?). What interests me in those transmutation stories is not whether they actually produced gold (and what the Rx for that is) but rather what happened there and how it could happen. > I think it's more likely that the numerous stories of transmutation > are a testament to human gullibility on the one hand, and human > willingness to exploit that gullibility on the other. Maier seems to > have had a healthy share of both of these traits, although one > should probably keep in mind the unconscious psychological > attraction of the symbol of transmutation itself. That's right - their mentality must have been a very important factor in convincing them that what they had seen was real transmutation. But I feel that gullibility is not enough to explain away the testimonies of Dienheim and Zwinger about the Seton's transmutation. They were both very intelligent, exceptionally well educated, and - most importantly - unlike us today, they were used to handle and recognize gold in their everyday life (which depended on this ability to a large extend). Nevertheless, they asked a goldsmith to confirm the quality of the gold produced by Seton. In popular literature on alchemy there are various explanations proposed how alchemists cheated using double bottoms in forges or hollow rods for stirring melted lead, so that hidden gold was released when temperature rose. But are these theories founded on any source accounts? Another interesting aspect of the "learned mentality" of the period is that the witnesses do not seem to be interested in financial gain (unlike the Cremer/Lull/Edward story) - they do not even mention this possibility. All they seem to admire is the very *fact* of transmutation. Best regards, Rafal Subject: ACADEMY : Recognising gold From: Stanislas Klossowski de Rola Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 Dear Hereward, Everything you suggest is quite inaccurate. Gold stemming from transmutations has extraordinary characteristics and most of the accounts are true. I am writing this in haste while travelling in Europe and do not have the time to go into greater detail right now. However you may find it worthwhile to examine different samples held at various museums and the medals stamped with this... The problem of these discussions always is that one loses sight that such transmutations are a by-product of the Great Work and as such were used to convince some of the possibilities imparted by this step toward the infinitely greater achievements rendered possible by the acquisition of the Philosopher's Stone. Please do not make the mistake of underestimating Michael Maier and the people around him. Cheers, Stanislas Klossowski de Rola Subject: ACADEMY : Recognising gold From: Leigh Penman Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 > "Please do not make the mistake of underestimating Michael > Maier and the people around him." Maier himself has this to say in his 'Themis Aurea': (Forgive me the indulgence of the long 'esses.' ) '...so likewife the fpirit of Vitriol may be taken without danger mixed with another liquor, and the water of Salt-Peter may be received into the body; but if thefe two be diftilled together, they make a water that will eat any mettle except Gold, and certain death to any one that fhall take it; but if you adde to the former Amoniacks, its ftrength is increafed, and it will reduce Gold into a watry and fluid fubftance, yet its nature is pure and perfect.' Michael Maier _Laws of the Fraternity of the Rosie Crosse (Themis Aurea)_ Facsimile reprint of the original English translation of 1656. Los Angeles: Philosophical Research Society 1976. ISBN: 0-89314-400-9. p.50. While I have admittedly butchered this comment in quite an artless fashion from its original context, Maier's words seem to demonstrate an easiness with, and confidence in this particular method for detecting the quality of Gold. However, we should perhaps balance such confidence with another of Maier's learned statements, (Themis, p.49): 'It is fufficiently known to wife men...[that]common falt alone is harmless, as alfo your vulgar Mercury.' Suddenly I'm thinking that perhaps there may be another explanation for all of these 'transmutations'...:) regards to all, Leigh. Subject: ACADEMY : Spying on Dee From: Susanna Åkerman Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 After having talked to Ron Heisler this morning I can go forward with his finding in State papers Venice on the Luneburg meeting in the beginning of August 1586 (when a militia crucifera evangelica was founded according to Simon Studion in his Naometria that Hess and Andreae read in Tübingen.) However I found another text of interest in these State papers Venetian, the following report on Dee by the same diplomat Mattheo Zane in Prague to the Doge and Senate of Venice on 10 of June 1586: letter no. 363, p. 169 "There has been living in Prague for some two years now, an English doctor, a man of great learning; he has a following. He does not profess a Christian life, but declares he has revelations on angels. Partly on this account and partly because he affirms he possesses a secret of riches in Alchemy, he draws many after him. When the Pope was informed he rightly feared the appearance of a new sect. He requestered the Emperor, who consented, to expel the Englishman from the empire and its dependencies and though he has many friends he was forced to leave for Saxony three days after the publication of the imperial decree. It is thought that he will not find an asylum there for long, as all the powers have been put on guard agaisnt his religious innovation." Prague 10 June 1586 On Luneburg it is said that the Princes of Germany are gathering on 5th of August in Luneburg. And next it is said in letter no 399 p. 197-198. 19 August 1586 also by Matheo Zane. "The meeting of the Protestant Princes in Luneburg is broken up. Neither has his Majesty been able as yet to discover the nature of their deliberations. Only this is stated that they were not in sitting more than three or four hours, all the rest of the time they were in good cheer and company. They say that the princes who were not present at the conference will hold a meeting in some city on the Rhine, in order to conform to the deliberations taken at Luneburg" Prague 19 August 1586. The English Queen was represented by an agent. (Perhaps Thomas Bodley who the prophet Paul Grebner says attended negotiations in Hamburg with the French diplomat Segur Pardaillon also in August 1586. See further my Rose Cross over the Baltic p. 105-106.) What was Dee up to in Saxony in 1586, do we know? Gilly p. 21 in Cimelia rhodostaurotica 1995 says that the Militia Crucifera Evangelica or cruce signati was only a union of Lutherans and Zwinglians, and not something proto-Rosicrucian. Susanna Akerman Subject: ACADEMY : Recognising gold From: Adam McLean Date: 11 Feb 2002 >'...so likewife the fpirit of Vitriol may be taken without danger mixed with >another liquor, and the water of Salt-Peter may be received into the body; >but if thefe two be diftilled together, they make a water that will eat any >mettle except Gold, and certain death to any one that fhall take it; but if >you adde to the former Amoniacks, its ftrength is increafed, and it will >reduce Gold into a watry and fluid fubftance, yet its nature is pure and >perfect.' >While I have admittedly butchered this comment in quite an artless fashion >from its original context, Maier's words seem to demonstrate an easiness >with, and confidence in this particular method for detecting the quality of >Gold. Leigh, Surely this is just an conventional description of the use of Aqua regia as a solvent for gold. I don't see the relevance to testing the quality of a particular sample of gold. Aqua fortis is made from vitriol and saltpeter. This will not dissolve gold though it will other metals. Silver dissolves readily in this nitric acid. The addition of the chlorine ion in the form of sal ammoniac , ammonium chloride, converts nitric acid, aqua fortis, into aqua regia. This acid will dissolve gold .This was well known to alchemists and proto-chemists long before the time of Michael Maier. It is unclear from what you quote how this could be used as a method for estimating the purity of gold. Can you explain this more in detail ? How was the dissolving of gold in aqua regia applied to estimating the purity of a sample of gold ? The question being asked in this thread is how to estimate the purity of a given sample of gold, in an age when quantitative inorganic chemistry was totally in its infancy, as people then lacked accurate weighing and volumetric devices. People in that time, as we note from contemporary accounts, were quite happy to pronounce a given sample of gold especially pure. How did they do this? Was it just a matter of opinion, touch and feel, or was it based on some way of estimating or even measuring purity ? That is what this thread of discussion is trying to get at. Of course, a learned person like Maier, who must have met with and discussed alchemical matters with many alchemists, knew that aqua regia dissolved gold. The question remains how did people of that time estimate the relative purity of samples of gold, and even the individual purity of a given sample. For example was it just a matter of seeing how soft it was when it was scraped on a stone, or the feel of working it with a metal tool, or was there some chemical procedure for gauging purity ? A experienced goldsmith would sense from the feel of working it how ductile and malleable it was, and could estimate purity from this. But how did others make an estimation of purity ? People seemed happy to pronounce on the purity of gold, but on what basis? That is what we are trying to answer here. Surely Maier, in this text, is noting a amazing fact. That vitriol, saltpetre and sal ammoniac can be taken into the body with no harmful effects, (indeed they could and were used as remedies), but when one distills them together one obtains a new substance that is so powerful that it is capable of dissolving gold. Such things were a great mystery - how some common, simple, seemingly benign substances could become so devasting an acid as to corrode the king of metals ! Surely that is what Maier is saying in this passage, not something about testing the purity of gold. Adam McLean Subject: ACADEMY : Recognising gold From: Hereward Tilton Date: 11 Feb 2002 Dear Stanislas and Rafal, Although I recognise your views on the matter are quite separate, for the sake of the clarity of my position I'd prefer to make a unified reply to your recent missives. Stanislas wrote: >Everything you suggest is quite inaccurate. Hmmm... this is a difficult allegation to refute. You really will have to supply me with some specifics when you finish your travels. >Gold stemming from transmutations has extraordinary characteristics >and most of the accounts are true. Whilst I do not doubt that your opinion is founded upon years of research rather than blind faith, I can only state that belief in metallic transmutation through the ages seems often to have possessed an irrational psychological source, and rational arguments against this belief have been of no avail as long as that source remains unconscious to the believer. Please note that I am not interested in the type of scoffing intellectualism offered by writers such as Principe and Newman on the matter of esoteric knowledge - in my experience there are indeed remarkable mysteries lying hidden within the symbolic language of alchemy. But short of subjecting the valuable medals you work with to a rather destructive assaying by cupellation, Stanislas, I would venture to suggest that their substance is no more or less extraordinary than the metal/s known to us in the periodic table. On the matter of the truth of accounts of transmutation, Rafal is of course correct to point out that not all such accounts are apocryphal like the tale of Lull, or Ripley's reported production of £100 000 worth of gold annually for the Knights of the Order of Saint John to aid their struggle against the Muslim Turks. Nor are 'true' accounts of transmutations such as those of Kelley, Seton, Helvetius etc. likely to be _solely_ the outcome of charlatanism using hollow stirring rods or hidden chambers in the vessel (although if you want 'source accounts' for these types of methods, Rafal, I can recommend Maier's Examen Fucorum Pseudo-Chymicorum or Khunrath's Treuhertzige Warnungs-Vermahnung). But Kelley's was a less than impeccable character by most accounts; the Seton tale hardly fulfills the criteria of a controlled experiment (who was that goldsmith? what was the composition of the input materials? were those stirring rods pure iron? are we dealing here with rather different definitions of the word 'gold'?); and Helvetius claimed that it was Elias Artista himself who mysteriously delivered the Philosophers' Stone to him in The Hague in 1666, thus fulfilling Paracelsus' prophecy - i.e. more fables which call for a symbolic interpretation. I would also add that even Michael Maier considered the type of projection method described in the Seton account to be a sign of charlatanism and one of the tricks of unscrupulous mountebanks. Rafal wrote: >Another interesting aspect of the "learned mentality" of the period is >that the witnesses do not seem to be interested in financial gain >(unlike the Cremer/Lull/Edward story) - they do not even mention >this possibility. All they seem to admire is the very *fact* of transmutation. Stanislas wrote: >The problem of these discussions always is that one loses sight that >such transmutations are a by-product of the Great Work and as such >were used to convince some of the possibilities imparted by this >step toward the infinitely greater achievements rendered >possible by the acquisition of the Philosopher's Stone. Claims that gold-making was a mere 'parergon' were designed to assure the reader/potential patron of the pious motivations of the alchemist; and after all, most learned alchemists such as Maier were indeed dedicated to the procurement of effective chemical medicines, the discrepancy between their aim and the final results on their patients notwithstanding. But most of us have to work hard to make a crust, and the ever-wandering and often hard-up Maier repeatedly used the promise of imminent final success (the elusive 'eighteenth step' of his alchemical ladder) to secure further finances from his wealthy patrons. Stanislas wrote: >Please do not make the mistake of underestimating Michael Maier >and the people around him. If gold-making was a mere parergon, then the ergon or central work was ultimately fruitless for Maier (from a purely material perspective) and probably contributed more to his physical decline than any regeneration. Judging from the testimony of his letters and his posthumously published work Ulysses, it seems quite likely that Maier - like Glauber and many other alchemists - finally succumbed to the poisonous substances he worked with and administered. This is certainly a more likely scenario than Stanislas' suggestion that he "felt the time was ripe to disappear for political and philosophical reasons". Please don't misunderstand me here, Stanislas - your book on 17th century emblems is gorgeous, and I wish I had a copy to grace my own half-empty bookshelves; besides, the propagation of further legends merely enriches the textual record and provides future scholars with yet more grist for the de-mystifying mill. And there are spiritual truths as well as historical ones... I am, as ever, ready to admit I'm wrong on any point, so please let me know your thoughts. Hereward Subject: ACADEMY : Spying on Dee From: Deborah E. Harkness Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 Susanna: I've also wondered what he was doing in Saxony. It is possible, however, that he simply retreated to the country with one or more of his protectors and it was reported or assumed that he was in Saxony. Mattheo Zane is a font of information on English people in Prague - not thefirst source we might think of, but then it does make a kind of sense. Best, Deb Harkness Subject: ACADEMY : Recognising gold Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 From: Rafal T. Prinke Hereward Tilton wrote: > Nor are 'true' accounts > of transmutations such as those of Kelley, Seton, Helvetius etc. > likely to be _solely_ the outcome of charlatanism using hollow > stirring rods or hidden chambers in the vessel This is exactly what I meant. If it was not cheating, then perhaps they could produce an alloy with features close enough to gold - so that they could not tell the difference? But if so, then why wouldn't they produce large amounts of such gold - or even just enough for themselves to live in luxury? > But Kelley's was > a less than impeccable character by most accounts; He is an very interesting case. It is easy to just say that he was "a rogue and a scoundrel" or "a rogue of persuasive charm" (the latter is lovely!) - but this is not enough to explain away the facts of his intimate relationship with one of the greatest minds of Europe lasting for many years, and his continued career in Bohemia after Dee had left. He also performed transmutations - and apprently was not caught cheating. > the Seton tale > hardly fulfills the criteria of a controlled experiment (who was that > goldsmith? what was the composition of the input materials? were > those stirring rods pure iron? are we dealing here with rather > different definitions of the word 'gold'?); Of course - but such is the nature of historical sources and we cannot expect to find out. All we can do is try to interpret the accounts which have been passed down to us. So we shall probably never know who the goldsmith was - but may speculate about the definitions of gold in the 16th/17th c. > I would also add that even Michael Maier considered > the type of projection method described in the Seton account > to be a sign of charlatanism and one of the tricks of > unscrupulous mountebanks. But he also witnessed transmutations performed by Sendivogius. How should we treat his testimony, then? Wasn't he a reliable and trustworthy witness? If he had known all the tricks of the charlatans and was a chemist/alchemist himself (certainly qualified to recognize gold), then what did he *actually* see? Best regards, Rafal Subject: ACADEMY : Spying on Dee Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 From: Rafal T. Prinke Susanna Åkerman wrote: > he [Dee] was forced to leave for Saxony three days > after the publication of the imperial decree. It is thought that he will > not find an asylum there for long, as all the powers have been put > on guard agaisnt his religious innovation." Prague 10 June 1586 > > On Luneburg it is said that the Princes of Germany are gathering on > 5th of August in Luneburg. And next it is said in letter no 399 p. 197-198. > 19 August 1586 also by Matheo Zane. > What was Dee up to in Saxony in 1586, do we know? According to his diaries and ATAFR, he went to Leipzig in May (left Prague on 6-05-1586, arrived in Leipzig on 11-05-1586, stayed in the house of Peter Hans Swartz, left probably on 16-05 and arrived back in Prague on 21-05-1586 or even earlier). The imperial decree was published shortly after 29-05-1586 and the whole company (Dee and Kelley with families) arrived in Erfurt, Thuringia, on 18-06-1586 but they were not allowed to hire a house there. Nearly a month later (during which time they must have stayed at an inn, I suppose) Dee rode to Saalfield(?) to see a house they might hire and returned to Erfurt two days later. Then they rode toward Kassel but the horses were ill so they stayed in Gotha on 17-07-1586. Then the whole company (apparently the families stayed in Erfurt and started from there) reached Kassel by coach, where an emissary of Vilem Rozmberk found them, informed that Rozmberk had obtained a revocation of the decree against them on 8-08-1586, and took them back to Bohemia and toTrebon. Thus the known chronology is tight and hardly possible for Dee to take part in the Lueneburg meeting. In fact, this period seems to have been one of the worst times for Dee in his continental journey. Best regards, Rafal Subject: ACADEMY : Ergon and Parergon From: Michal Pober Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 Dear Hereward, In your missive of yesterday you used the terms 'ergon' and 'parergon'. I was recently searching for these on Adam's website in connection with a document that I was working on and found only one text in which they appeared: Speculum sophicum rhodostauroticum The 'Mirror of Wisdom' of Theophilus Schweighardt Translated by Donald Maclean © Introduced by Adam McLean © which is on the site under Rosicrucian texts [sorry I didn't keep the url] Adam describes it thus: Foremost among these neglected secondary texts is "The Mirror of the Wisdom of the Rosicrucians" written in 1617 by Daniel Mogling under the pseudonym of Theophilus Schweighardt and first published in 1616. [probably the dates should be reversed!] I wonder if you or someone else could illuminate where these terms in fact originate, the extent of their usage, and in what way, if any, they define something different than 'ora' and 'labora'. Thank you! Michal Pober Subject: ACADEMY : Recognising gold From: Joaquín Perez-Pariente Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 Dear colleagues, I just incorporate into the discussion group, so the first message I got is from 9 of February. So I have probably missed some of them, but what I have now is enough to have an idea of the key points. In my opinion, the different arguments used by the several contributors have been used many times before, without reaching, as it happenned in this forum, any clear conclusion about the actual production of real gold as a result of alleged alchemical transmutations. However, something can be settled right now: the assaying of gold was very well established in the XVI and XVII centuries, although there are archeological references to its use dating back to the 6th century B.C. If anyone is really interested in this particular aspect. there is a very good and readable reference: "Assaying in antiquity", by Andrew Oddy, from the British Museum, published in the journal Gold Bulletin, 1983, vol. 16, p 52 to 59, containing 65 references. I quote part of its concluding remarks: "In view of the rapid advances made in the techniques of chemical analysis in the past thirty years it is very surprising that the three techniques known to the Greeks (fire assay, touchstone and specific gravity measurements) of 2500 years ago are still in use." In addition, further aspects of gold assay can be learned from the book: Hallmark: A History of the London Assay Office, by J S Forbes, Unicorn Press, 1999. I quote again from the review of this book appeared in Gold Bulletin, 1999, vol. 32, p. 136-137: "Forbes points out that modern assays of a series of surviving silver and gold standards dating back to 1560, which were prepared by the Assay Office for the Royal Mint, are remarkable accurate considering the crude tools, furnaces and weighing balances that were then available." So, in conclusion, the gold assaying by cupellation described in many transmutation accounts identifies the metal as true gold. In my opinion, in the absence of new data (new documents, new chemical analysis of coins and other metal pieces hold by several european museums) it is very difficult to say something new about the true nature of alchemical transmutations. Instead of trying to discuss the individual transmutation accounts, I have followed a different aproach. Is this: IF (I emphasise the capital letters) the transmutation accounts are describing real chemical processes ( I know some colleagues will crucify me just to think the alchemists are not just cheating) , whatever their nature might be, then they would probably follow, as many other events in Nature, a certain pattern. Then I took the old transmutation accounts to search for physical parameters, i.e., the weight of metals and Philosophers' Stone (PS) involved in the experiences, and their duration, and remembering that the action of the PS on the base metals was compared by the alchemists to a "ripenning" process, to a sort of catalytic process, I check this hypothesis. Well, I have found a nice correlation between the transmuting power of the PS and the duration of the transmutation: very active samples of PS seem to produce the transmutation in a very short time, while those less efficient require more time. I have published these results (in spanish, unfortunately) in a scholar electronic journal called "Panacea", edited by the Department of the History of Pharmacy, of the University Complutense, Madrid, Spain. In this publication the correlation I just mentionned is given in a grafic manner, so anyone can understand the meaning of this. Therefore, the way of action of the PS, whatever its nature might be, do follows a nice catalytic pattern. The web address of the publication is : www.ucm.es/info/folchia/panacea.htm Hereward mention in passing Dr. Principe and Dr. Newman. I have to tell you that the book by Principe "The Aspiring Adept", is not only the best study on the Boylean alchemy, but also one of the best on XVII alchemy. If you read this book, you will see that Boyle himself was not only practicing alchemy his entire life, but you will learn that he witnessed an alchemical transmutation, and used to carry with him the resulting gold. Apologizes for this long message, but I have many things to say. Joaquín Perez-Pariente Subject: ACADEMY : Recognising gold From: Hereward Tilton Date: 13 Feb 2002 Dear Rafal, >If it was not cheating, then >perhaps they could produce an alloy with features close >enough to gold - so that they could not tell the difference? >But if so, then why wouldn't they produce large amounts >of such gold - or even just enough for themselves to live >in luxury? Perhaps this is what happened in Hessen-Kassel prior to the outbreak of the Thirty Years War, i.e. the production of alloys which were good enough to pass as gold for _most_ people... >But he also witnessed transmutations performed by Sendivogius. >How should we treat his testimony, then? Wasn't he a reliable >and trustworthy witness? If he had known all the tricks >of the charlatans and was a chemist/alchemist himself >(certainly qualified to recognize gold), then what did >he *actually* see? I wouldn't say that Maier was a reliable and trustworthy witness, despite his polemics against unlearned 'Betrueger'... but I'd be very interested to know where you read that he witnessed transmutations by Sendivogius, that's a fact I wasn't aware of. There certainly aren't easy answers to the question of what people 'actually' saw, or even what they believed they saw, as you suggest; in her study of Atalanta Fugiens, de Jong argued that Maier followed Avicenna in denying the possibility of an artificial conversion of species, be that amongst plants, animals or metals. I looked at the passage of the Atalanta Fugiens in question and it is rather unclear, but the main aim of his comments is to refute the possibility of artificially converting one metallic species into another "in the short time needed for eating an egg". It seems that his own goal was to produce a vitalistic agent possessing the power of unlimited increase through a long process of 'fermentation' (be that in metals or the human heart), rather than a projection and more or less instantaneous transmutation as in the Seton account. Thus he speaks of procuring his medicines through alchemical processes lasting many months (and typically ending at Easter). Cheers Hereward Subject: ACADEMY : Recognising gold From: Giuseppe de Nicolellis Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 Regarding metallic transmutation there is a fact that has always left me quite perplexed: the "fixed moon". In serveral old texts it is said that the transmutated silver is a "true fixed moon", that is a "heavier silver" that, respect to the ordinary silver, resists to aqua fortis and has a higher fusion temperature. This "fixed silver" seems to me Platinum, but the reports about it go back to an age when Platinum was not recognized as a precious metal, or not known at all (by example, Crosset de la Humerie, Les secrets le plus caches de la philosohie des anciens, 1762? I think there are older examples, but I couldn't find them from memory). I would find quite surprising that some charlatan could invent by chance a metal not known at that age. There is another fact that I find baffling: Platinum and Gold are adjacent in the periodic table (atomic weight 78 and 79), and are adjacent to Hg (80) and Pb (82), the main metals used for transmutation (if we exclude thallium , Tl - atomic weight 81 - surely not known at the time). If we should believe in atomic transmutation, it seems plausible that metals transmute gaining or losing protons/electrons, so "moving" to adjacent metals in the periodic table. If transmutation did not exist, why the 'charlatans' who made up the legend of transmutation choose only adjacent metals in the periodic table, when the periodic table had not yet been discovered? By the way, I fully understand that these facts are by no means a "proof" of the reality of transmutation; but I find them highly suggestive. Best regards, Giuseppe de Nicolellis --------------------------- "L'argent qui provenait de la fixation du mercure etait plus pondereux que l'argent ordinaire, et que l'eau forte n'y faisait aucune impression, ou tout du moins fort peu, mais elle n'y faisait rien du tout quand il y avait un peu plus de poudre qu'il n'en etait besoin." Le livre tres cache de la Philosophie des Anciens. Crosset de la Haumerie. Subject: ACADEMY : Ergon and Parergon From: Hereward Tilton Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 Dear Michal, The first usage of the terms Ergon and Parergon with regard to the subject of alchemy in early Rosicrucian texts comes in the Fama Fraternitatis itself, I believe... From memory, mention is also made of the terms in B.M.I.'s relatively early Assertio Fraternitatis (1614), following the reference of the Fama. Ergon is simply the Greek equivalent of opus, work... Parergon ('para-ergon') means a secondary, subordinate or incidental work, a by-work, often used to denote something trifling. The 'parergon' references in the early Rosicrucian texts are often to gold-making as a by-work of alchemy, a mere trifle picked up on the way to attaining the true prize, which is (as I understand it) the healing of humanity for the greater glory of God. As I'm sure you know, 'ora et labora' is a Latin motto meaning 'prayer and work', c.f. Khunrath's famous emblem of 'oratory and laboratory' from his Amphitheatrum Sapientiae Aeternae, expressing the unity of the two complementary aspects of the Great Work... it's also the motto of the Benedictine monks. It seems to me that parallels could be made between 'ergon et parergon' and 'ora et labora', in the sense that the higher work of the alchemist involves a pious communing with the Divine through prayer and inner work, whilst the subordinate (although inter-related) work involves the labours of the laboratory and its material fruits. The difference being that 'parergon' is sometimes slightly derogatory, as in the Fama's reference to 'ungodly and accursed gold-making', although Schweighardt seems to use the terms in a more general theosophical manner to distinguish between the life of the eternal soul (ergon) and the life of the mortal body (parergon)... does that sound about right? Cheers Hereward Subject: ACADEMY : George Ripley's writings From: Adam McLean Date: 15 Feb 2002 I am currently working on the Ripley scroll and am interested in exploring the writings of George Ripley. I wonder if anyone knows whether the works published under his name were definitely written by him, or could some of these have been ascribed to him by later printers or copyists of manuscripts ? I am thinking of works such as Liber de mercurio et lapide philosophorum. Philorcium Alchymistarum. The Pupilla Alchimae. The Terra Terrae philosophiae. Concordantia Raymundi Lullii et Guidonis philosophi Graeci. Viaticum seu varia practica. Accurtations et practicae Raymundinae. which were issued in Latin at Cassel in 1649, some 150 years after his death. The Liber de Mercurio et Lapide, was printed in Latin earlier in 1599, and the Compound of alchymy was printed in English in 1591. It appears that there was little of Ripley in print and that knowledge of his work must have been sustained by the manuscript tradition. There are of course numerous manuscript copies of his works. Has any scholar looked at Ripley's writings and tried to establish the links of the printed or manuscript works to Ripley himself ? Adam McLean Subject: ACADEMY : Recognising gold Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 From: Rafal T. Prinke Dear Hereward, > I wouldn't say that Maier was a reliable and trustworthy witness, > despite his polemics against unlearned 'Betrueger'... but I'd be very > interested to know where you read that he witnessed transmutations > by Sendivogius, that's a fact I wasn't aware of. I apologize for not replying earlier - but I had to check the source before arguing my point. And indeed I was wrong. The fragment in question is from _Symbola aureae mensae_ p. 555. I followed the interpretation in Roman Bugaj's monograph on Sendivogius (in Polish) - but now struggled with the Latin and it appears that Maier only quotes the testimony of Oswald Croll. So Croll is the witness - as he himself implies in _Basilica chimica_ - but we have no details about this transmutation. Thank you for making me check this - I will not repeat the same misinformation in future! Best regards, Rafal |