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Alchemy Academy archive June 2005 Back to alchemy academy archives. Subject: ACADEMY: Gottlieb Latz From: Jean-Yves Artero Date: 5 June 2005 Dear Rafal, I would say that this book could be considered as both being antiquarian and esoteric. Dr. Gottlieb Latz was a German physician who spent much of his life deciphering the meaning of the Emerald Tablet. Hence his "Die Alchemie", first published in Bonn, Germany in 1869. His book was as you wrote made again available in German and was too translated into English by Dennis W. Hauck. Here are some indications about the contents: CHAPTER CONTENTS The Ancient Science of Alchemy The Emerald Tablet The Three Titles of the Emerald Tablet The Age of the Emerald Tablet And here is a link: http://www.alchemylab.com/latz.htm With best regards, Jean Subject: ACADEMY: Gottlieb Latz From: Sharon White Date: 5 June 2005 Dear Rafal, I have a 2003 edition of the book of Gottlieb Latz here. It has ISBN 3-89836-342-2, Kommet Verlag GmbH, Köln, www.kometh-verlag.de. It contains 1039 pages and I found it once on a restseller table. Best regards, Nicole Subject: ACADEMY: Gottlieb Latz From: Sharon White Date: 5 June 2005 Dear Adam, Jean-Yves and Nicole, Thank you for your replies. Yes, I have seen the fragment on www.alchemylab.com from Dennis Hauck's translation of a longer fragment on the Emerald Table. That's why I thought (which you have now confirmed) that it was not historical and wondered into what category it can be placed. Nicole, as you have a copy: >I have a 2003 edition of the book of Gottlieb Latz here. what is your opinion? How does it fit in the context of other 19th c. esoteric authors/currents? I understand Latz was a doctor of medicine so perhaps there is a trace of German romantic school of medicine there (the extended title says it was written "für Aerzte"). Best regards, Rafal Subject: ACADEMY: Emerald Tablet From: Stanislas Klossowski de Rola Date: 6 June 2005 Dear Adam, I am fascinated by the scholarly tendency to throw out the proverbial baby with the bath water when one deals with the so-called historicity of alchemy. I do respect all the efforts of our fellow researchers but then my question is where does one draw the line? Do we wish to "innerstand" alchemy i.e to decipher its codes? If so we should indeed utilize for that purpose all the resources of modern technology and scholarship but we must remember that the legends and the fantastic identities of its "spurious" authors are very much a part of the entire fabric. In seeking to debunk its legends one is always at risk of undermining the whole structure and dismembering a lifeless corpse from which the very mystery of the spirit that kept it alive has altogether vanished. Whatever its true origins the Emerald Tablet was , and still is, for any true son of Hermes the epitome of the Great Work. I have not read Latz's book but I met Dennis Hauck who kindly sent me his book and I feel you are being somewhat harsh in your judgment. That said, while we are at it I would welcome a discussion on what the current official scholarly position is on the Emerald Table and I would be happy to see if such knowledge satisfies more than one 's innate insatiable curiosity for the subject. All the very best always, Stanislas Klossowski de Rola Subject: ACADEMY: Emerald Tablet From: Adam McLean Date: 6 June 2005 Dear Stanislas, >but then my question is where does one draw the line? Well, surely, drawing the line is the work of scholarship. On one side of this line is the mere belief that something is so and on the other is a consensus based on evidence. I do not see any value in dropping our scholarly standards, for then do we just accept the belief-driven views of writers? I for one don't want to shape my perspective on alchemy on someone else's belief system that I am unable to criticise. What is the point of basing ones life on fantasy and untruths? >In seeking to debunk its legends one is always at risk of undermining the whole structure and dismembering a lifeless corpse from which the very mystery of the spirit that kept it alive has altogether vanished. I don't think this is true at all. For example, I find the Flamel Book of the Hieroglyphics symbols fascinating. It does not in any way detract from the value of the work for me to realise that it emerged out of the late 16th century and not from a 14th century Nicholas Flamel. The works of Basil Valentine remain important in the history of alchemy, even when one realises that they were not written by some monk and hidden in a pillar of a cathedral in Erfurt. As an example of how putting a work in its proper context, has not denigrated or damaged it in any way, consider the Corpus Hermeticum. During the early 17th century there was a fiery debate about the dating of the Hermetica, were they pre- or post-Christian? Now hundreds of years later we still turn to the Corpus Hermeticum, and they are just as valued writings as they were back in the 17th century, but they are seen in their proper context. This has not damaged the writings, but given them their true place in the stream of history. >Whatever its true origins the Emerald Tablet was , and still is, for any true son of Hermes the epitome of the Great Work. I have not read Latz's book but I met Dennis Hauck who kindly sent me his book and I feel you are being somewhat harsh in your judgment. Surely it is important to base our view of the Emerald table on what can be known about it, not what can be imagined about it. Dennis Hauck's book draws on Latz's fantasy history, the product of his ideosyncratic beliefs. Dennis obviously can read German, but why in his book is there no mention of modern scholarship? Julius Ruska's seminal work on the Tabula Smaragdina does not get a mention. Was Dennis unaware of the existence of Ruska's work? If so, it demonstrates that he has little scholarship. If he was aware and yet chose to ignore this examination of the sources of the Emerald table, surely that tells us something about the perspective Dennis Hauck was taking on the Emerald Tablet. Unfortunately it is these mass marketed popular titles that shape people's views. I sometimes find myself almost despairing when I see the same old nonsense is still being perpetuated. >That said, while we are at it I would welcome a discussion on what the current official scholarly position is on the Emerald Table Of course, and the value of a scholarly discussion is that one can question, examine the evidence, and try and contextualise the work correctly, and not rely on someone else's beliefs. If one abandons a scholarly approach then one has no way of deciding whether one person's view is more relevant than that of another, and then we might as well accept that alchemy is an ancient science from Atlantis, or brought to earth by aliens from the second planet of Sirius. If you read Dennis Hauck's book closely you will see that he links, in chapter 22, Hermes with UFO experiences. I don't think I was being unduly harsh. His book reveals itself as what it is. It does not need my deconstruction. Best wishes, Adam McLean Subject: ACADEMY: Emerald Tablet From: Cis van Heertum Date: 6 June 2005 Dear Stanislas Klossowski de Rola, No doubt the 'discussion on what the current official scholarly position is' of the Tabula smaragdina will profit from Carlos Gilly's entries on manuscript and printed editions in S. Gentile/C. Gilly, Marsilio Ficino e il ritorno di Ermete Trismegisto/Marsilio Ficino and the return of Hermes Trismegistus, Florence, Centro Di, 2001 (2nd. Rev. ed.), pages 196-206. Best wishes, Cis van Heertum Subject: ACADEMY: Gottlieb Latz From: Sharon White Date: 6 June 2005 Dear Rafael, I can not really answer your question. I only read the first few chapters of the book of Gottlieb Latz. I liked the way Dr. Latz made connections between Alchemy and Medicine but then the book became strangely esoteric with a form of numerology which I found rather confusing. But this could also easily be a lack of knowledge of myself. With best regards, Nicole Subject: ACADEMY: Emerald Tablet From: Jean-Yves Artero Date: 6 June 2005 Dear Adam, Stanislas, Cis, Nicole and all, I fully agree that Tabula Smaragdina (TS) deserves an academic interest. I dare to call it the Credo of alchemists, and by the way one of my standpoints is to consider that scholars need alchemists (and alchemists possibly need scholars) as well as some scholars can be alchemists and vice versa. Anyway here is Isaac Newton's translation of TS: 1. Tis true without lying, certain & most true. 2. That wch is below is like that wch is above & that wch is above is like yt wch is below to do ye miracles of one only thing. 3. And as all things have been & arose from one by ye mediation of one: so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation. 4. The Sun is its father, the moon its mother, 5. the wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth its nourse. 6. The father of all perfection in ye whole world is here. 7. Its force or power is entire if it be converted into earth. 7a. Separate thou ye earth from ye fire, ye subtile from the gross sweetly wth great indoustry. 8. It ascends from ye earth to ye heaven & again it desends to ye earth and receives ye force of things superior & inferior. 9. By this means you shall have ye glory of ye whole world & thereby all obscurity shall fly from you. 10. Its force is above all force. ffor it vanquishes every subtile thing & penetrates every solid thing. 11a. So was ye world created. 12. From this are & do come admirable adaptaions whereof ye means (Or process) is here in this. 13. Hence I am called Hermes Trismegist, having the three parts of ye philosophy of ye whole world. 14. That wch I have said of ye operation of ye Sun is accomplished & ended. A valuable synthesis about TS is in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Tablet Its textual history could be a starting point for further studies: The oldest documentable source for the text is the Kitab Sirr al-Asrar, a pseudo-Aristotelian compendium of advice for rulers authored by Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani in around 800 AD. This work was translated into Latin as Secretum Secretorum (The Secret of Secrets) by Johannes "Hispalensis" or Hispaniensis (John of Seville) ca. 1140 and by Philip of Tripoli c. 1243. In the 14th century, the alchemist Ortolanus wrote a substantial exegesis on "The Secret of Hermes," which was influential on the subsequent development of alchemy. Many manuscripts of this copy of the Emerald Tablet and the commentary of Ortolanus survive, dating at least as far back as the 15th century. The Tablet has also been found appended to manuscripts of the Kitab Ustuqus al-Uss al-Thani (Second Book of the Elements of Foundation) attributed to Jabir ibn Hayyan, and the Kitab Sirr al-Khaliqa wa San`at al-Tabi`a (Book of the Secret of Creation and the Art of Nature), dated between 650 and 830 AD. An other exciting page is of course : http://www.levity.com/alchemy/emerald.html With best regards, Jean Subject: ACADEMY: Emerald Tablet From: José Rodríguez Guerrero Date: 6 June 2005 >The oldest documentable source for the text is the >Kitab Sirr al-Asrar, a pseudo-Aristotelian compendium I think the oldest documentable source for the tabula smaragdina is not 'Kitab Sirr al-Asrar' but a famous work entitled 'Kitâb sirr al-halîqa' (sometimes called 'Kitâb al-`ilal') attributed to Apolonius of Tiana. The Tabula appears at the end of this work and it seems to be a compendia or summary of halîqa's cosmology. You can find the Arabic text in an excellent a critical edition : U. WEISSER, (1979), Buch über das Geheimnis der Schöpfung und die Darstellung der Natur (Buch der Ursachen) von Pseudo-Apollonios von Tyana, edited by Ursula Weisser, Institute for the History of Arabic Science, University of Aleppo. There is a great commentary of halîqa's theories of matter by Pinella Travaglia. It provides a lucid analysis of the Tabula: PINELLA TRAVAGLIA, (2001), "Una Cosmologia ermetica. Il Kitâb sirr al-halîqa / De secretis naturae", Liguori Editori, Napoli 'Kitâb sirr al-halîqa' was translated into Latin by Hugo de Santalla at the begining of 12th century. You can find a critical edition of the Latin text in: FRANÇOIS HUDRY, (1997-1999), Le De secretis nature du Ps. Apollonius de Tyane, traduction latine par Hugues de Santalla du Kitæb sirr al-halîqa. Édition et présentation par Françoise Hudry, in: Chrysopoeia, 6, pp. 1-154. Other arabic works had copied parts of 'Kitâb sirr al-halîqa', including the final sentences called tabula smaragdina. Yabir Kitab Ustuqus al-Uss could be an example. See: PAUL KRAUS, (1942) "Jabir Ibn Hayyan. Contribution á l'historie des idées scientifiques dans l'islam. Jabir et la science greque", Impresiones de la I. F. A. O., El Cairo, pp. 270-303. The Tabula arrives to European countries in three different versions. Of course, the accurate version is that of Hugo of Santalla. But it was not very popular in alchemical circles, because it seems to be more philosophical than alchemical. See: JEAN-MAR MANDOSIO, (2004), La Tabula smaragdina nel Medioevo latino, I. La Tabula smaragdina e i suoi commentari medievali, in: Paolo Lucentini et al. (eds.) Hermetism from late antiquity to humanism, Brepols Publishers, pp. 681-696. The second version appears in the pseudo-Aristotelian Secretum Secretorum translated by Philip of Tripoli arround 1230-1240. It is the treatise that you report. However the Tabula does not appear in John of Seville's translation dated 12th century. Roger Bacon takes this work and wrote a manipulated version of the Tabula, very popular in some alchemical authors. There is a copy in: Oxford, Bodleian Library, Tanner 116 (edited by Steele, 1920, pp. 115-117). See: IRENE CAIAZZO, (2004), La Tabula smaragdina nel Medioevo latino, II. Note sulla fortuna della Tabula smaragdina nel Medioevo latino, in: Paolo Lucentini et al. (eds.) Hermetism from late antiquity to humanism, Brepols Publishers, pp. 697-713. The third version appears in the alchemical work entitled Liber hermetis de alchimia (sometimes called Liber rebis or Liber dabessi). It seems to be a translation by Plato of Tivoli dated around 1140. It was the most popular version in alchemical texts during Middle Ages. See: A. COLINET, (1995), Le livre d'Hermès intitulé Liber dabessi ou Liber rebis, in: Studi Medievali, 36, pp. 1011-1052. Sorry for my long message... Regards, José Rodríguez Subject: ACADEMY: Basil Valentine legend From: Vahid Brown Date: 6 June 2005 Dear Adam, You wrote: >The works of Basil Valentine remain important in the history >of alchemy, even when one realises that they were not written by >some monk and hidden in a pillar of a cathedral in Erfurt. Where can I learn more about this legend? I can find only the scantiest reference to this in the works that I looked through this afternoon, and the introduction (by L.G. Kelly) to the English Renaissance Hermeticism series reprint of the Triumphant Chariot of Antinomy makes no mention of this (nor do Thorndike, Holmyard...). I'm working on the history of this motif - of claiming to discover texts in pillars or underground - and would appreciate any references for this with regard to the writings of Basil Valentine. Many thanks, Vahid Brown Subject: ACADEMY: Emerald Tablet Message-Id: From: Vahid Brown Date: 7 June 2005 Dear Jean, With regard to the "Textual History" of the Emerald Tablet that you quoted from wikipedia, note that Jilani, while the author of a work entitled Sirr al-Asrar, is *not* the author of the Sirr al-Asrar in question. They are totally different works with nothing shared between them but the title (though the ps-Aristotelian work is not usually "titled" sirr al-asrar in the Arabic recensions, though it often bears that phrase in a subtitle). While parts of the Sirr al-Asrar/Secretum Secretorum are indeed quite old (Kevin van Bladel has an article in press arguing that some of it even originated in middle Persian Sassanian literature), the version of the text that includes the Emerald Tablet is mid-twelfth century, and so is *not* the oldest documentable source for the text. Vahid Brown Subject: ACADEMY: Gottlieb Latz From: Beat Krummenacher Date: 7 June 2005 Dear Rafael, To only see in the book of Dr. Latz a perhaps "naive-romantic-antiquarian but perhaps occult/esoteric" work is not the whole thing. As mentioned by others, you find personally tinged interpretations of some important alchemical treatises in his book, which might be interesting for an historian, because Latz obviously had a good knowledge of the alchemical literature. But Latz only added that part of his work, because he wanted to present the most important of his sources together with his individual interpretation. But there is another important part of the book, I would say the reason why Latz has written his work. Latz derived from his extended literature research an identification of the so called "Arcana" of the alchemists, in that he attributed specific chemical substances to some of the best known "Arcana" mentioned in many alchemical boooks. And based on his "discovery" he claimed to be able to produce himself the "high medicines of the alchemists". After having identified and produced "his Arcana", he started to use them in his own practice in some way. So the work of Dr. Latz is a good example of a researcher not seeing in alchemical texts only allegorical, mythological, esoteric or other "mind oriented games", but the advise to practice with matter. For Latz alchemy was a "science" to prepare remedies out of specific raw materials useful to treat his patients. That standpoint is completely fitting with what alchemy always has been: A practical science (if you really read carefully the literature and do not read things into it which the authors never minded). From a deeper understanding, Latz's interpretation unfortunately was wrong, in that he used common chemicals, minerals and salts instead of philosophical matter, which the latter is the only basis of all true arcana. He did not know the methods, how common matter can be transformed into philosophical matter, so that all "his Arcana" cannot be compared with the arcana of the alchemists. But nevertheless - from a more chemical point of view - his contributions are an important "historical mark" for the trial to approach alchemy on a practical basis. Regards, Beat Krummenacher Subject: ACADEMY: Basil Valentine legend From: Adam McLean Date: 7 June 2005 Dear Vahid Brown, I will try and locate some of the original sources for the Basil Valentine story. My memory fails me at the moment. Meanwhile I wonder if you know the story of Wenceslaus Seilerus, which may draw on the Valentine story. This is included in: Becher, John Joachim [1635-1682]. Magnalia Naturae: or, the Philosophers-Stone Lately exposd to publick Sight and Sale. Being A true and exact Account of the Manner how Wenceslaus Seilerus The late Famous Projection-maker, at the Emperours Court, at Vienna, came by, and made away with a very great Quantity of Pouder of Projection, by projecting with it before the Emperor, and a great many Witnesses, selling it, &c. for some years past. Published at the Request, and for the Satisfaction of several Curious and Ingenious, especially of Mr. Boyl, &c. By John Joachim Becher, One of the Council of the Emperor, and a Commissioner for the Examen of this Affair... London, Printed by Tho. Dawks, His Majesties British Printer, living in Black-fryers. Sold also by La. Curtis, in Goat Court on Ludgate hill, 1680 This involves a pillar. "But it happened afterwards, That, a great Tempest arising, The whole Church, as especially this decayed Pillar, was so shaken and spoiled, that to prevent its falling down, the Abbot was necessitated to order it to be demolished....when the Pillar was almost all pulled down, They found therein a Copper-box, of a reasonable bigness, which the old Father presently snatched up and carryed it into his Cloyster, and immediately opened it.... You can read the whole of this on my web page http://www.levity.com/alchemy/seilerus.html Adam McLean Subject: ACADEMY: Basil Valentine legend From: Adam McLean Date: 7 June 2005 Dear Vahid Brown, If you have access to a copy do take a look at Basil Valentine's Last Will and Testament, also published in French in 1651. Valentine, Basil. Basilius Valentinus Friar Of the Order of St. Benedict His last Will and Testament. Which He himself, being alone, hid under a Table of Marble behinde the High-Altar of the Cathedral Church, in the Imperial Citie of Erford; leaving it there to be found of him, whom Gods Providence should make worthy of it. Wherein he sufficiently declareth the wayes he wrought to obtain the Philosophers stone, and taught them also to his fellow Collegians, all of them attained also to the having of the Philosophers stone: whereby not onely the leprous bodies of the impure, and inferior Metals are reduced unto the pure and perfect body of Gold and Silver, but also all manner of diseases whatsoever are cured in the bodies of unhealthfull men, and kept thereby in perfect health unto the prolonging of their lives. London, printed anno Domini, MDCLVII [1657]. [Wing B1015.] Adam McLean Subject: ACADEMY: Emerald Tablet From: Jean-Yves Artero Date: 7 June 2005 Dear José, Perhaps some other French speaking authors are worth quoting. As far as the Tabula Smaragdina is concerned, I would like to mention, besides Henry Corbin and Pierre Lory, especially, Monod-Herzen G.E., L'Alchimie Méditerranéenne. Ses Origines et son But. La Table d'Emeraude. Paris, Adyar, 1962, 216 pp. + 7 pl. dont 4 dépliantes en fin de texte, br. With best regards, Jean Subject: ACADEMY: Test introduction to Theatrum Chemicum From: Rafal Prinke Date: 7 June 2005 Dear Academy, I have just put the introduction and tables of context to the electronic _Theatrum chemicum_ temporarily here: http://main2.amu.edu.pl/~rafalp It will eventually be put at the digital library but before I do that, I shall be grateful for any comments, corrections or suggestions. Note that the tables of contents already work and you can follow the links to particular pages in the WBC library. Best regards, Rafal Subject: ACADEMY: Gottlieb Latz From: jean-yves artero Date: 7 June 2005 Dear Beat, Here is an additional hint about Hauck's approach to Latz' work: http://www.alchemylab.com/arcana.htm "The medieval alchemists believed that the Emerald Tablet described the action of seven chemical compounds known to the ancients as the arcana or "great secrets." The arcana were the divine secrets of creation, the basic archetypes after which all things were patterned. The chemical arcana were the compounds that expressed these eternal truths in the physical world. The properties of these compounds symbolized the highest philosophical truths, as well as demonstrating basic physical principles." Otherwise Hauck himself asked Alchemy Forum about Latz' book significance: "Fri Jul 12 09:39:24 1996 Subject: 1324 Arcanum Experiment Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:30:55 -0700 From: Dennis William Hauck I have translated the work of the eighteenth century German alchemist, Dr. Gottlieb Latz, and am fascinated by his innovative lifelong work with the Emerald Tablet, in particular, his deciphering of a chemical formula from early Latin versions. He posits that the seven chemicals described in the Tablet are components of the Arcanum Experiment, the single laboratory experiment which openly demonstrates all the principles of alchemy. In particular, he references two compounds called "Pulvis Solaris" and "Liquor Hepatis." Is anyone familiar with these terms and know their formula? From my progress so far in the translation, it seems that the Pulvis contains "sulfur auratum" and red mercuric oxide. The Liquor seems to be composed of hydrogen sulfide and ammonia. However, I think there may be other ingredients or impurites involved in the original formula that are not available today. Anyone have any ideas?" http://www.levity.com/alchemy/frm1350.html With best regards, Jean Subject: ACADEMY: Basil Valentine legend From: Vahid Brown Date: 8 June 2005 Dear Adam, Many thanks, this is very helpful. Happily, both of the texts you mention are available online through Early English Books Online, an absolutely priceless resource. http://eebo.chadwyck.com/home (You need a subscription or access through a subscribing library.) If you or any other of the learned listmembers know of obscure works that involve this motif, I would be most grateful for such information and will of course credit you for bringing them to my attention in any publications based on this research. Thanks again, Vahid P.S. - Incidentally, both the Sirr al-Khaliqa and the Sirr al-Asrar include this discovery motif, as do many other items of Arabic "Hermetica." The early Islamicate alchemist Ibn Umayl utilizes this motif, putting forth his Ma` al-waraqi as the elucidation of Egyptian symbols discovered inscribed on tablets in a secret chamber. A number of other instances of Arabic alchemical works "discovered" in this way are collected or described in Ruska's classic work on the Tabula Smaragdina. - VB *** Valentine, Basil. Basilius Valentinus Friar Of the Order of St. Benedict His last Will and Testament. Which He himself, being alone, hid under a Table of Marble behinde the High-Altar of the Cathedral Church, in the Imperial Citie of Erford; leaving it there to be found of him, whom Gods Providence should make worthy of it. Wherein he sufficiently declareth the wayes he wrought to obtain the Philosophers stone, and taught them also to his fellow Collegians, all of them attained also to the having of the Philosophers stone: whereby not onely the leprous bodies of the impure, and inferior Metals are reduced unto the pure and perfect body of Gold and Silver, but also all manner of diseases whatsoever are cured in the bodies of unhealthfull men, and kept thereby in perfect health unto the prolonging of their lives. London, printed anno Domini, MDCLVII [1657]. Becher, John Joachim [1635-1682]. Magnalia Naturae: or, the Philosophers-Stone Lately exposd to publick Sight and Sale. Being A true and exact Account of the Manner how Wenceslaus Seilerus The late Famous Projection-maker, at the Emperours Court, at Vienna, came by, and made away with a very great Quantity of Pouder of Projection, by projecting with it before the Emperor, and a great many Witnesses, selling it, &c. for some years past. Published at the Request, and for the Satisfaction of several Curious and Ingenious, especially of Mr. Boyl, &c. By John Joachim Becher, One of the Council of the Emperor, and a Commissioner for the Examen of this Affair... London, Printed by Tho. Dawks, His Majesties British Printer, living in Black-fryers. Sold also by La. Curtis, in Goat Court on Ludgate hill, 1680. Subject: ACADEMY: Basil Valentine legend From: Adam McLean Date: 8 June 2005 Dear Vahid, >Incidentally, both the Sirr al-Khaliqa and the Sirr al-Asrar include >this discovery motif, as do many other items of Arabic "Hermetica." >...A number of other instances of Arabic alchemical works "discovered" >in this way are collected or described in Ruska's classic work on the >Tabula Smaragdina. This clearly demonstrates how much alchemy is a literary tradition and how alchemical writers drew on and reshaped ideas they found in earlier writers. There is a coherence to such alchemical ideas which means that they can be investigated in much the same way as is done with other domains of human endeavour. I do hope you will be able to make a study of this motif and eventually publish it in some form. Adam McLean Subject: ACADEMY: Basil Valentine legend From: Rafal Prinke Date: 8 June 2005 Dear Vahid, >If you or any other of the learned listmembers know of obscure works >that involve this motif, I would be most grateful for such information >and will of course credit you for bringing them to my attention in >any publications based on this research. Another example, probably (almost certainly) modelled on that of Basilius Valentinus, is the treatise on prima materia by Vincentius Koffski, first published by Benedictus Figulus in _Thesaurinella olympica_ (Frankfurt 1608), reprinted separately in 1681 (Gdansk/Danzig), 1682 (German translation of Figulus, Frankfurt), separately 1699 (Strassburg) and in 1786 with commentaries and additional pseudepigraphic material (Nurnberg). There is also a late 16th c. manuscript in Vienna (apparently dated to 1566-1599) containing also other texts which are not included in Figulus, thus suggesting he had not written it himself. All editions have a preface stating that the author was born in Poznan, then was a Dominican friar in Gdansk and wrote his treatise there, dating it 3 May 1488, and hiding it in the wall of the monastery. It was then discovered by the prior named Paul on 14 August 1588 (the Vienna MS has 1585). I edited the Polish translation of the treatise in 1985 (is it really 20 years ago?!) and argued there may have been something to the story. Now, being so much older and wiser, I am quite convinced it was based on the story of Basilius - unless the Vienna MS antedated Thoelde, then it may have been the other way round (or they may have been independent, after all - drawing on those in Arabic texts you referred to. Best regards, Rafal Subject: ACADEMY: Gottlieb Latz From: Adam McLean Date: 8 June 2005 Dear Jean-Yves Artero, Thank you for this reference from the old Alchemy Forum. >He [Latz] posits that the seven chemicals described in the >Tablet are components of the Arcanum Experiment, the single >laboratory experiment which openly demonstrates all the >principles of alchemy. I think this exemplifies the absurdity of taking such a person as a source for information about alchemy. Here Ladz describes an experiment which, to the best of my knowledge, was not part of the alchemical tradition. It would appear to be merely an experiment of his own imagination. He also finds seven chemical substances in the Tabula Smaragdina, which anyone taking a even a cursory glance at this text realises are not described there. This is a clear example of someone reading what they want into a text. Dennis Hauck takes up Ladz's ideas and runs even further away from the reality of alchemy in his book on the Emerald tablet. In the chapter describing this 'Arcanum experiment' he makes some telling statements. "To Egyptian alchemists, the arcana were the psychophysical secret ingredients in their experiments and the Arcanum Experiment was the name applied to the single laboratory experiment that openly demonstrated all the principles of alchemy..." He then digresses into tarot cards and absurdly connects them with alchemy, seemingly through the word 'arcana' "The Hermeticists epitomised the arcana chemicals in tarot cards and attempted to "work" with them in psychological and spiritual terms... Although the chemical arcana were associated with the tarot for some time, no one in modern times connected them to the Emerald tablet, until an obscure German alchemist [Ladz] worked it out in the mid-nineteenth century." Later we depart an even greater distance from reality. "In researching the surrealistic visions of the alchemists, I found descriptions of the subject of their experiment, the mysterious First Matter, which fit remarkably well with the properties of the morphing force I identified at the root of many paranormal events." This opens us up to a journey through the alchemical significance of UFOs and crop circles. Enough said ! Adam McLean Subject: ACADEMY: Boehme and Rosicrucianism From: Leigh Penman Date: 8 June 2005 Dear Academy, I have just been reading Susanna Åkerman's 'Rose Cross Over the Baltic'(1998), an exceptionally interesting work. On p.89 of this book, the author makes reference to 'several attempts by the followers of Jacob Boehme' to confuse the reception of Rosicrucianism by involving themselves in the controversy. Does anyone know exactly which followers of Boehme Åkerman might be making reference to here, and how they involved themselves in the Rosicrucian furore? This also might be an approriate forum (following Will-Erich Peuckert) to discuss the impact of Rosicrucianism 'proper' on Boehme (if any!) Thanks for any help, Leigh Subject: ACADEMY: Basil Valentine legend From: Leigh Penman Date: 8 June 2005 Dear Vahid, I am not sure if this is relevant, but recently I have been working on apocalyptic and millenarian prophecy in Germany 1600-1630, and there is a famous prophecy about the coming of a messianic Calvinist king, printed in Prague in 1621. The prophecy tells that all Christendom will be united under this king by around 1626, but mysteriously enough, the prophecy was attributed to Johann Huss (c.1370-1415; 'Viva manus Hussiana me praeparavit') and was supposedly discovered in a silver box bearing a clockface (Uhrenkasten) in the Library of St. Jakob in Prague. Clearly, the prophecy was meant to refer to Frederick V! This prophecy was immortalised in a broadsheet 'Gruendtliche Offenbarung und eigentliche Abbildung / einer geheimen denckwuerdigen Prophecey/ welche in diesem 1621. Jahr/ zu Prag bey S. Jakob in der Bibliothek/ auff und in einem kleinen silbern vergueldten Laedlein oder Kaestlein gefunden worden.' [Prague?] 1621. (VD17 23:233780Z) See this page for an image of a 1624 reprint! http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/prophecy_broadsheet.jpg In the actual sheet, the story of discovery occupies only a very small paragraph (the first), however a description of the (suitably elaborate and suggestive) box in which it was found, replete with references to Huss, etc takes up quite a bit of space. It's not hermetic, and it was not found in a pillar (nor underground) but I think that this prophecy ties into the same tropes of rediscovery of knowledge that mark the Valentine incident and its imitators. The link to Huss was a clear attempt to to anchor the prophetic vision to the Bohemian reform movement of two centuries earlier, thereby imbuing it with more prophetic 'authority' for the contemporary Bohemian audience. All the best, Leigh Subject: ACADEMY: Gottlieb Latz From: Alfredo Felix-Diaz Date: 8 June 2005 Dear Adam, Concerning Hauck you wrote: > He then digresses into tarot cards and absurdly connects them > with alchemy, seemingly through the word 'arcana'... His chemical experiments and UFO connections seem as off-the-track to me as they do to you. But connecting the Tarot cards to alchemy seems accurate. Even Fulcanelli in "The Dwellings of the Philosophers" suggests that the Fool trump is our mercury or pilgrim that goes thru 21 phases to become the Philosophers Stone. All the very Best, Alfredo Subject: ACADEMY: Gottlieb Latz From: Adam McLean Date: 8 June 2005 Dear Alfredo, >But connecting the Tarot cards to alchemy seems accurate. I am totally shocked that you should say this. NO, I repeat NO, alchemical text has ever mentioned tarot. Tarot is a card game that became elevated in the late 18th century by a misguided writer to the status of a book of esoteric knowledge. This mistaken conception was taken up by the French occult revivalists in the 19th century, then penetrated the Golden Dawn and now we have the tarot we know today. But this has nothing to do with alchemy. Tarot has a lot to do with modern esotericism, new age ideas and so on, and the imagery is a delight. But no alchemist ever saw it as more than a game of cards. I am surprised you even thought there might be some connection, but to describe this as an accurate assessement ! Adam McLean Subject: ACADEMY: Basil Valentine legend From: Jean-Yves Artero Date: 9 June 2005 Dear Academy, Here is an excerpt of the first paragraphs of Eugene Canseliet's preface of his French edition of Basile Valentine's Twelve Keys, Editions de Minuit, Paris, 1956. "Olaus Borrichius, Danish chemist, botanist and philologist, through a post-mortem writing, briefly states in his study (conspectus) of Basile Valentine, "monk of the Benedictine Order, very well known author nowadays, but who only came to fame among scientists at the end after his death, while the latter writer consider a clap of thunder as the origin of the opening of a column of the Erfurt temple which was broken by the middle where his manuscript was till then hidden". He (Olaus) at once expresses his doubts: "But these events, anyway, which were also spread in the open, through the intermediary of pictures, don't rely upon any certainty". Here is a Latin corresponding footnote and original statement: "Benedicti ordini Monachus, notissimus scriptor hodie, sed qui diu a morte sua doctis tandem coepit innotescere, aperta,ceu perhibent, per ictum fulminis columna Templi Erfurttensis, in cujus medio diffracto scriptum hejus hactenus delituerat. Sed & haec, utcunque, in vulgus etiam Typorum ministerio sparsa, nullius certa ninuntur auctoritate. (Olai Borrichii, Conspectus Sciptorum illustrorum Libellus posthumus, Havniae, 1697, p.30, xxxxiv;). With best regards, Jean Subject: ACADEMY: Basil Valentine legend From: Vahid Brown Date: 9 June 2005 Dear Leigh, That's a wonderful example, and one I hadn't known of before - thanks! There's a very close cognate in the same period in England, in the prophecies issued by one Christopher Love, a Presbyterian minister who was executed in 1651 for conspiring against Cromwell. Love's prophecies became extraordinarily popular reading, being printed hundreds of times in England and the colonies, no less than twenty editions coming out in the 1790s in New England alone. In his preface, and I quote from an edition put out the year of his death, Love writes: "I do not mean now, that any new prophet shall arise; but the Lord by his Spirit shall cause knowledge to abound among his people, whereby the old prophecies shall be clearly understood. And I die in that thought, and really believe that my calculations are right, on the Revelation of St. John, and the prophecy which St. Jerome copied off and translated out of the Hebrew language, as it is written on *Seth's pillar* in Damascus, which pillar is said to have stood since before the flood and was built by Seth, Adam's son, and written by Enoch the prophet; as likewise the holy precepts whereby the patriarch walked before the law was given to Moses, which were also engraven on the said pillar, whereof many Jews have copies, in their own language written on parchment, and engraven on brass and copper." (The strange and wonderful predictions of Mr. Christopher Love, minister of the Gospel at Laurence Jury, London, 1651, pp. 6f.) Love then immediately launches into a list of prophecies, which begins: "Great earthquakes and commotions by sea and land shall come in the year of God 1779. Great wars in Germany and America, in 1780," and so on. The antediluvian pillar is one of the most common forms of the motif that I am tracking, and stretches all the way back to ancient Babylonian texts (cf. Berosus). This form of the motif is found in the earliest Masonic Constitution, the so-called Cooke Manuscript, where antediluvian patriarchs are said to have raised two pillars inscribed with the liberal arts and masonic sciences, discovered after the Flood by none other than Hermes and Pythagoras. The version whereby mysterious texts are found in special boxes is also quite widespread. Many mss. of the important "Key of Solomon" are prefaced with this discovery motif. Anyway, thanks again, Vahid Subject: ACADEMY: Boehme and Rosicrucianism From: Jean-Yves Artero Date: 9 June 2005 Dear Leigh, Susanna Åkerman's 'Rose Cross Over the Baltic'(1998) is one of the books I am still missing! Perhaps you could too have a look to 'The Alchemy of Light' by Urszula Szulakowska (2000) which one I was already able to read: Page XVII, "Khunrath placed his cabbalism within a christological framework, so much so, that his main concern from 1595 was not alchemical theory, but pietistic Christian theology, anticipating, perhaps, the alchemical mysticism of Boehme". Page 20: "Lullian geometries influenced some of the engravings in Khunrath's Amphitheatrum, as well as illustrations produced for Oswald Croll, Johann Mylius, Boehme and other alchemists". Page 179: "An extraordinary development of Fludd's cosmology of the divine eye of God was produced by the illustrator to Boehme's collected works in the Amsterdam edition of 1682 published by Gichtel nearly sixty years after his death". Etc. With best regards, Jean Subject: ACADEMY: Boehme and Rosicrucianism From: Jean-Yves Artero Date: 9 June 2005 Dear Leigh, Susanna Åkerman's 'Rose Cross Over the Baltic'(1998) is one of the books I am still missing! Perhaps you could too have a look to 'The Alchemy of Light' by Urszula Szulakowska (2000) which one I was already able to read: Page XVII, "Khunrath placed his cabbalism within a christological framework, so much so, that his main concern from 1595 was not alchemical theory, but pietistic Christian theology, anticipating, perhaps, the alchemical mysticism of Boehme". Page 20: "Lullian geometries influenced some of the engravings in Khunrath's Amphitheatrum, as well as illustrations produced for Oswald Croll, Johann Mylius, Boehme and other alchemists". Page 179: "An extraordinary development of Fludd's cosmology of the divine eye of God was produced by the illustrator to Boehme's collected works in the Amsterdam edition of 1682 published by Gichtel nearly sixty years after his death". Etc. With best regards, Jean Subject: ACADEMY: Basil Valentine legend From: Leigh Penman Date: 10 June 2005 Dear Vahid, I was unaware of the Love prophecies, which sound brilliant. I was also unaware of the Key of Solomon motif, thanks for pointing that out. At some stage I want to look at how earlier continental prophecies of Paul Felgenhauer, Paul Graebner and Andreas ab Habernfeld (also Hoberweschel/Haberweschel/Hobervesl, etc) were rediscovered and employed in England between 1640-1700. There might be more strange stories of pillars, boxes and underground chambers involved there! I must admit that I find the idea of rediscovery of knowledge portrayed as a physical act of discovery to be quite fascinating. It is amazing to see that it has existed for so long (Babylonian times!!). I am reminded of the story in Ezechiel 8:7ff Also, the grotesque myth surrounding the supposed "treasure of Rennes-le-Chateau" involves the rediscovery of parchments hidden in a 'Visigothic pillar' that supported the altar in Sauniere's church. (Holy Blood & the Holy Grail, 1981, p5). Sauniere was supposedly renovating the church at the time, much like the 'brother of the 3rd succession' who rediscovered Rosencreutz's tomb when renovating the 'haus Sanctus Spiritus' of the RC. While the entire Rennes business is an entirely farcical affair, it is interesting to note the presence of the 'rediscovery' motif. All the best, Leigh Subject: ACADEMY: Boehme and Rosicrucianism From: Susanna Åkerman Date: 10 June 2005 Dear Leigh, I was referring to Fridrich Grick who wrote a dozen RC pamphlets under the names Irenaeus Agnostus and F. G. Menapius. Grick is described as a Boehmenist by Hans Schick in his Das ältere Rosenkreutzertum (Berlin, 1942). For an updated view of this see Carlos Gilly, Cimelia Rhodostaurotica (Amsterdam, 1995) on Frick. Also Boehme had a burrial-stone with the Rosicrucian sounding inscription "Aus Gott geboren, In Jesu gestorben, Mit den Heiligen Geiste gesiegelt", i. e. ... In Jesu morimur etc. of the Fama. Gilly may also explain this fully in his coming Bibliographia Rosicruciana (autumn 2005?) Susanna Subject: ACADEMY: Boehme and Rosicrucianism From: Leigh Penman Date: 14 June 2005 Dear Susanna, Many thanks for the information. Grick is a fascinating, although often ignored personality. I will consult the Schick book in due course, but I am having trouble finding Gilly's reference in the Cimelia Rhodostaurotica. Concerning Boehme and the Rosicrucian motto, I recall Dr. Gilly presenting evidence that Abraham von Franckenburg was responsible for the monument on which it appeared. An engraving of the monument itself can be seen here; http://www.esoteric.msu.edu/jpg/Boehme's_Leben.jpeg As for the long awaited Bibliographia Rosicruciana, I have noticed that Frommann-Holzboog have pushed the release date back to 'Ende 2005'. Unfortunately it looks like we will have to wait a few more months before Dr. Gilly begins to unveil the mysteries of the Rosy Cross! Thanks again for your assistance, Leigh Subject: ACADEMY: Information on some 16th century personalities required From: José Rodríguez Guerrero Date: 26 June 2005 Dear all: I would be much grateful to anybody, who can provide me information about those 16th century names (ca. 1560-1570): - Florianus Danici coschwitz (var. Koschwitz ) - Lucas Barthodius (var. Bartholdius) - Valentinus Koslitius Boleslavensis - Gerhardus Spina - Guglielmi Rascalonei Uormaciensis Regards, José Rodríguez Subject: ACADEMY: Tabula smaragdina From: Brian Cotnoir Date: 26 June 2005 I am trying to find the 1541 Latin version of the Tabula smaragdina. In 'Marsilio Ficino e il ritorno di Ermete Trismegisto', only an English and Italian translation are given. Any idea where I might find a copy? Unless the version given along with the vitriol emblem on page 205 is the 1541 Latin version. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Brian Cotnoir Subject: ACADEMY: Tabula smaragdina From: Jean-Yves Artero Date: 26 June 2005 Brian, Perhaps you could try 'De Alchimia', Chrysogonus Polydorus, Nuremberg 1541: http://www.morgane.org/smaragdina.htm Regards, Jean Subject: ACADEMY: Tabula smaragdina From: Jean-Yves Artero Date: 26 June 2005 Brian, Here is another reference: De alchimia. Geber. De investigatione perfectionis metallorum [...]. Nuremberg, Johannes Petreius 1541 First edition of the Latin translation of the 'Tabula smaragdina' with a commentary by Hortulanus, added to Geber's 'De alchemia' together with a few other texts. The Tabula is also very frequently included in other editions of Geber's works. http://www.ritmanlibrary.nl/c/p/pub/on_pub/pat/pat_pri_B3.html Regards, Jean Subject: ACADEMY: Information on some 16th century personalities required From: Peter Forshaw Date: 26 June 2005 Dear Jose, Gerhardus Spina is most likely Gerard Dorn, as both 'Dorn' and 'Spina' translate as 'thorn' ... I think Didier Khan mentions this in the article he wrote on Dorn published in Joachim Telle (ed), Analecta Paracelsica. All the best, Peter Subject: ACADEMY: Maier's Arcana translated into French From: Jean-Yves Artero Date: 26 June 2005 Dear Academy, Here is a link to the new French language edition of Arcana Arcanissima, which was previously announced. It is now available. http://www.beyaeditions.com/arcanes%20tres%20secrets.htm Regards, Jean Subject: ACADEMY: Tabula smaragdina From: Ahmad Y. al-Hassan Date: 27 June 2005 Dear Academy, The remark by Jean that "the Tabula is also very frequently included in other editions of Geber's works" reminds me of another link between Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber) and the Tabula. Although it is well known that the Tabula was given in Apollonius's book Sirr al-khaliqa (The Secret of Creation) and Jabir acknowledged that, yet according to al-Razi, al-Fihrist, and more recently to Ruska and Kraus, the Arabic text of The Secret of Creation appeared after Jabir's time, during the reign of the Caliph al-Ma'mun (AD 813-833). Jabir gave the Arabic text in his Kitab al-ustuqus al-thani that was published by Holmyard in 1928, and who published also an earlier article in 1923 giving the Arabic text of Jabir and a Latin translation, and he found them to be quite close to each other. According to Ruska in his book Tabula Smaragdina the earliest translation of the Tabula into Latin was that of Hugo Sanctelliensis in the 12th century. Ruska further remarks that the translation of Hugo did not have any lasting influence and that there was another later Latin translation from Arabic sources that was utilized by Albertus Magnus in the 13th century. This translation according to Ruska is not from The Secret of Creation. And since the Tabula was known by two Arabic texts only, that of Jabir and of The Secret of Creation, this lead us into concluding that the text used by Albertus Magnus could have been that of Jabir (Geber). This argument may give some sense to the remark by Jean given above. The question is quite interesting and is worthy of a serious investigation. Ahmad Y. al-Hassan Subject: ACADEMY: New book on Hermes and Hermeticism From: Adam McLean Date: 27 June 2005 I have just received notice of a new book (in German). Florian Ebeling. Das Geheimnis des Hermes Trismegistos. Geschichte des Hermetismus. München: Beck. 2005. He contributed towards a interesting seminar on the reception of the idea of Egypt in Europe. http://www.febeling.de/aegyptenrezeption/seminar0405/ Perhaps his book is attempting to examine the reception of Hermes in European culture. I wonder if any of our German readers have read this book and can appraise its value. Adam McLean Subject: ACADEMY: Information on some 16th century personalities required From: Rafal T. Prinke Date: 27 June 2005 Dear José, > I would be much grateful to anybody, who can provide me information > about those 16th century names (ca. 1560-1570): > - Valentinus Koslitius Boleslavensis His name points to Kozlice/Köslitz near Boleslawiec in Silesia. Alternatively, it may be Boleslav (town or district) in Bohemia. > - Guglielmi Rascalonei Uormaciensis This one is mentioned in Melchior Adam's _Vitae Germanorum Medicorum_ of 1620. He was a physician in Heidelberg: http://www.uni-mannheim.de/mateo/camenaref/adam/adam2/adamvitae2.html He is also mentioned on one (or more?) epitaph (Gedenktafel) from a Heidelberg cemetery: http://de.geocities.com/boriskoerkelweb/studies/morata/Heidelberg/heidelberg.html And his medical thesis defended at Heidelberg University: Medicae Dispvtationis Cvivsdam Derenvm Calcvlo Capita [Microforma] : In publica Medicinae & Philosophiae peritissimorum Hominum diatriba / [Praeside Cl. Viro D. Petro Lotichio Secvndo Medicinae Doctore]. Per Guilielmum Rascalonum Gallo Ruthenum proposita, & ad defendendum suscepta. Heydelbergae Anno M.D.LIX. Die Avgvsti XXVI. Horis mane solitis in Auditorio Medico. Best regards, Rafal Subject: ACADEMY: Tabula smaragdina From: Jean-Yves Artero Date: 27 June 2005 Dear Ahmad, I fully agree with you. The idea that Geber ( Jabir) is a possible source of the European consideration of Tabula Smaragdina (TS) is widely spread. For instance John Eberly in his AlKimia, The mystical islamic essence of the sacred art of alchemy (2004) states that " the earliest translation in Arabic of the TS by Hermes Trismegistos is attributed to Jabir Ibn Hayyan " (introduction, page 5). Now I came across the French edition of The History of Arab Sciences, under t he direction of Roshi Rashed (1997). In an article about The Western reception of Arab alchemy, Robert Halleux reminds us about the Balinus origin of the writing and adds that his cosmological encyclopedia could have been elaborated during the VIIth century (page 147). His reference is here Weisser (1979/1980). He further writes that Hugo Sanctelliensis translated the Secret of Creation in Tarazona between 1145 and 1151. He also deals with another version used by Albertus Magnus and Arnold of Villanova which was reportedly published by Dorothea Waley Singer & Robert Steele (1927). In the same book there is an other article on Arabic alchemy by Georges Anawati. He elaborates on TS (page 117) but is referring first to Holmyard, then Ruska (1926). According to him, the Tabula was well known in the Middle Ages, at least in two Latin versions. He too refers to Balinus, and his Kitab al ilal and reports that the author probably lived in the time of al Ma'Mun (813-833) here he is not agreeing with Halleux and adds " as al Razi already wrote ". According to him among the sources of this book one can find some elements of the Book on the nature of man by the Christian and Neoplatonist Nemenius of Emese ; but his final opinion is that " some recent studies are conducting to the idea that this work is far more ancient ". One of his in fine references is Corbin (1986). Jean Subject: ACADEMY: Information on some 16th century personalities required From: José Rodríguez Date: 28 June 2005 Dear Peter, Thank you very much for your kind answer. It is really useful for me. I think I have read this article several times and I overlooked your reference. Now I see Didier Kahn mentions the Spinaeus surname and, yes, it seems to be Gerard Dorn. Regards, José Rodríguez Subject: ACADEMY: Tabula smaragdina From: Ross Caldwell Date: 29 June 2005 Regarding the Arabic TSS, where can I see the original Arabic (print and/or online)? A second question. From the Arabic texts, has it been determined whether they are translations (i.e. from a language such as Greek or Syriac), or are original compositions in Arabic? Thanks, Ross Caldwell Subject: ACADEMY: Tabula smaragdina From: J. Vahid Brown Date: 29 June 2005 Dear Mr. Caldwell, You can see the Arabic TS in either U. Weisser's edition of the Sirr al-khaliqa or Zirnis' thesis on the Ustuquss al-Uss, which includes a non-critical edition of that text at the end of the thesis. Weisser, Ursula, ed. Buch ueber das Geheimnis der Schoepfung und die Darstellung der Natur (Buch der Ursachen) von Pseudo-Apollonios von Tyanna (Sirr al-khaliqa wa sana'at al-tabi'a: Kitab al-'ilal). Aleppo: Institute for the History of Arabic Science, University of Aleppo, 1979. Zirnis, P. The Kitab Ustuqus al-Uss of Jabic ibn Hayyan. Unpublished PhD thesis, New York University, 1979. As to whether the Tabula smaragdina is an original Arabic compostion or represents a translation, this is not a settled issue. Weisser argues for a Greek original to what she identifies as the short recension of the Sirr al-khaliqa, but I don't recall at the moment whether this argument includes the TS or whether she classes the TS with the "long" recension (she calls these A and B; anybody remember off hand?). Short of a Greek ms. turning up someday, this question is not likely ever to be settled definitively. Vahid Subject: ACADEMY: Tabula smaragdina From: Jean-Yves Artero Date: 29 June 2005 Dear Ross, I am very sorry to be disappointing at this stage: "The oldest documentable source for the text is the Kitab Sirr al-Asrar, a pseudo-Aristotelian compendium of advice for rulers authored by Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani in around 800 AD. This work was translated into Latin as Secretum Secretorum (The Secret of Secrets) by Johannes "Hispalensis" or Hispaniensis (John of Seville) ca. 1140 and by Philip of Tripoli c. 1243. In the 14th century, the alchemist Ortolanus wrote a substantial exegesis on "The Secret of Hermes," which was influential on the subsequent development of alchemy. Many manuscripts of this copy of the Emerald Tablet and the commentary of Ortolanus survive, dating at least as far back as the 15th century. The Tablet has also been found appended to manuscripts of the Kitab Ustuqus al-Uss al-Thani (Second Book of the Elements of Foundation) attributed to Jabir ibn Hayyan, and the Kitab Sirr al-Khaliqa wa San`at al-Tabi`a (Book of the Secret of Creation and the Art of Nature), dated between 650 and 830 AD." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Tablet Perhaps an other source I already pointed out is Monod-Herzen (L'alchimie méditeranéenne). Jean Subject: ACADEMY: Tabula smaragdina From: Ross Caldwell Date: 30 June 2005 Dear Vahid, Thank you for these sources. There is a copy of Weisser's book in Paris, which I may be able to look up when I am there in August. Best regards, Ross |