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Inner alchemy archives - CatalystBack to alchemy forum page . Back to Inner alchemy archive.Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 From: George Matchette Hi All. Through the mists of distant memory, I recalled my chemistry class and the comment that catalyst facilitated reactions without themselves being changed. If I understand correctly (and please correct if I don't), mercury in fact was the catalyst of old of turning lead to gold... I bring this up as a practical question applied to the transmutation of personality in the crucible of psychotherapy (a modern alchemical attempt); position "a" being that the therapist must change to do the client any good (i.e., is part of the change process) and position "b" the therapist should be stable and in a high enough stated within Self, that in fact, he/she is the catalyst of change (but does not necessarily change in the process per se.) I'm increasingly tending towards position "b" as my own practice becomes clearer, stronger, etc. Any thoughts? Best Regard, George Matchette Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 From: Deanna Herrera Hi George, on April 9th you wrote, >Through the mists of distant memory, I recalled my chemistry class and the >comment that catalyst facilitated reactions without themselves being >changed. If I understand correctly (and please correct if I don't), >mercury in fact was the catalyst of old of turning lead to gold... >I bring this up as a practical question applied to the transmutation of >personality in the crucible of psychotherapy (a modern alchemical attempt); >position "a" being that the therapist must change to do the client any good >(i.e., is part of the change process) and position "b" the therapist >should be stable and in a high enough stated within Self, that in fact, >he/she is the catalyst of change (but does not necessarily change in the >process per se.) >I'm increasingly tending towards position "b" as my own practice becomes >clearer, stronger, etc. Any thoughts? I am a therapist too, a psychologist and I do have some thoughts on this topic. I agree with Jungs notion that both conscious and unconcious attitudes/elements in the therapist/doctor and client/patient are involved in a process where both people are deeply affected, and I quote, "For two personalities to meet is like mixing two different alchemical substances: if there is any combination at all, both are transformed." It seems that when involved in psychotherapy I am both receptive and analytical while my intuition pulls from the material images, memories or even symbols that emerge. The intuitive data usually presents itself when I am involved in the process reciprocaly. This reciprocity is often transformative for the client when there is sufficient power generated by an emotional field that touches both of us. Now as you know to facilitate growth a certain amount of objectivity is needed and to become overly identified with a patient would obscure the objectivity necessary.But without the empathic connection of care or "love" there is not the power of transformative energy to bring about change (I think the Jungian analyst Jean Bolen calls it "Aphrodite concsiousness"). Perhaps this is one means of acting as a catalyst. Whenever there is the intermingling of two souls on a deep level then something new is born, a third spirit: Insight, Discovery, Joy whatever it may be. It is an interesting paradox to be intimately involved with somene who knows very little about me. Even so I am transformed whether I am conscious if it or not. A good example is the process of becoming an effective therapist. One can only develop proffesionaly through experience with others. When I supervise interns it is clear that the orientation to the therapeutic relationship changes with experience and it is both consious and unconsious. Hopefully the therapist is aware of his or her internal formations enough to keep them out of the relationship and at the same time let himself be moved by the experiences of the client. I tend to think that the therapist is transformed in his or her own spirit as she learns the fluid balance of receptivity and objectivity. All in all I believe that "a" and "b" are partially true (and I would lean toward "a"). A therapist needs to be stable and enlightened enough to withstand and move with ongoing transformation. Instability of self with no self awareness would of course put the therapist into a fragile boat with the client on turbulent seas and both could sink. What I have told many folks is that it is not so much getting your "shit together" as it is knowing what your shit is and being aware enough to keep it out of your eyes and mouth. And to refrain from smearing it all over your loved ones. The same could be said for the therapist. One need not be at a stable and high level of self to be a good therapist since a certain dissolution of self is necessary for growth. You just need to know yourself well enough to keep the process clean of your own inner pollutants. This last piece of it I know you are all too well aware of, since we pretty much have to be while doing this work. Any more ideas? Deanna From: B X Bovasso Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 > On April 9th George Matchette wrote: > >Through the mists of distant memory, I recalled my chemistry class >and the comment that catalyst facilitated reactions without themselves >being changed. If I understand correctly (and please correct if I don't), >mercury in fact was the catalyst of old of turning lead to gold... >I bring this up as a practical question applied to the transmutation of >personality in the crucible of psychotherapy (a modern alchemical >attempt); position "a" being that the therapist must change to do >the client any good (i.e., is part of the change process) and >position "b" the therapist should be stable and in a high enough stated >within Self, that in fact, he/she is the catalyst of change (but does not >necessarily change in the process per se.) >I'm increasingly tending towards position "b" as my own practice >becomes clearer, stronger, etc. Dear George: I hope you do not draw an either/or conclusion. As you aptly noted, Mercury or Hermes is a catalytic instrument in the alchemical process. This would indicate, in translation to the analytical psychology parallel, that at least ideally neither the analyst or the analysant serve as catalyst. More likely, however, the analyst will self-assume themself as the catalyst in the process unfolding and which more than likely would indicate an inflation on the part of the analyst derived in the various aspects of the transference/countertransference. From the analytic standpoint of Jung, however, this is hardly desireable (in other therapeutic approaches it is actually encouraged!) Breaking or resolving the transference/counter-transference, requires that a third and mediating aspect be constellated, in this case the "catalyst" as a transpersonal element. Since Mercury personifies what I call the "Hermetic function" (of the endopsyhic intuition), for either the analyst or the analysant to become identified with it suggests an "expansion of the personality beyond its proper limits.*" In other words, the catalytic presence of an archetypal dynamis requires an agency or field that is other than the persons involved. This is achieved by the recognition of a *symbolical reality* as a third or transcendent reality so that the persons invovled are not engaged in a purely one on one dialectical relationship. The mediating factor Jung calls the "transcendent function." If the archetypal elements constellated during an analysis are not understood as performing in a transcendent (symbolical) reality plane, then there is good chance they may be identified with so that "archetypes" are exploited as so much magical hocus-pocus in a power expression of personality during a sustained if not encouraged *partcipation mystique* of the T/C-T circumstance. *Jung notes of inflation: "Expansion of the personality beyond its proper limits by identification with the persona or with an archetype, or in pathological cases with a historical or religious figure. It produces an exagerrated sense of one's self-importance and it is usually compensated by feelings of inferiority" (from *MDR, Glossary). This cautionary definition is especially relevant if the processes of alchemy are included as part of the psychic work, more so that it provides the transcendant sybolical reality plane by which archetypal material may be accommodated (without "possessing" the adept). Sincerely, Bernard (BXBovasso) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 From: George Matchette Dear Deanna, Thank you for your kind response to the topic I raised; they were very helpful in my clarifying my own thoughts. I want to respond to one piece you brought up that I'll quote below: >I agree with Jungs notion that both conscious and unconcious >attitudes/elements in the therapist/doctor and client/patient are involved >in a process where both people are deeply affected, and I quote, > "For two personalities to meet is like mixing two different alchemical >substances: if there is any combination at all, both are transformed." As I increasingly become a student of essence and its principles, I think the "mixing of personalities" while to some extent inveitable, isn't the right tool for a transformation which ultimately takes place-- if at all-- from heart to heart. If one of the main principles of essence is unity and stability within the heart, then a therapist effort is to practice from that space he or she occupies. Said in Jungian terms, the practitioner develops the archetype of Self and can do nothing other than respond from that place if in fact its genuine. For me, the Self archetype represents unity, integration, etc., the others are part of the multiplicity that personality often represent. The alchemy is then a meeting of the two (unity and multiplicity) where unconsciously the client (and the unintegrated part of the therapist) seeks integration through essence. The pull is often towards the shadow elements of both (i.e., whatever is pathological ), the work ultimate is towards practice and self-discipline or said more cheerfully, one's bliss, essence, ascension, etc. Ultimately, my practice is not mixed with my clients, although at its core there's no division in truth. Again, thank you for your thoughtful comments and the chance to continue clarifying how I think of alchemy in psychology. Best regards, George Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 From: Deanna Herrera To: George Matchette >From: Deanna Herrera, >Your welcome. Lots of food for thought. I appreciate your humility and >thoughtfulness. I'll sit with it. But before I do here is some verbage. >First off I would like a bit of clarification on one thing you had mentioned. >This piece here, > "The pull is often towards the shadow elements of both (i.e., whatever is >pathological )..." Are you meaning that because the material is unconcsious that it is pathological or that because it is of the shadow that it is path.? Because I would have to disagree if you meant the latter. I will spare you the argument if you meant the former. Please let me know. To tell you the truth, I think that what we are discussing is beyond expression by means of words or language. By using language we somehow miss the true nature of what it is to be a catalyst of change. Alchemy may be a language a bit less removed from the transcendent. Human development necessarily involves soul work which resides in the transcendent and can not be described. Don't you think? That is, paradoxicaly (is that a word?), why I enjoy these discussions. Stabbing in the dark is fun and brings me to the house of humility. I am reminded that we are all kindergardners on the same bus. People in helping professions are hopefully directing people who want views to the window seats and those who need to get off to pee a lot to the aisles. So I have a hard time with value judgements of the appropriateness of different perspectives on therapy because I would agree with taoist thought that even a positive action will eventually have a negative reaction somewhere. Eventually someone at a window seat will need to pee, crawl over someone to get off, and that could be a good thing a bad thing or most likely an inconsequential thing. So the best we can do is lean toward the good and make the effort to help and let go of the effects. As therapists/psychologists we are trained in the notion that we work within the confines of positive science which is such a joke. Once we buy into the unknowable, the unprovable, the unconcsious then we are talking faith and spirituality and to argue faith is somewhat ridiculous. I am amused when I argue about ideas/beliefs and I find myself doing it all of the time. If you are interested in only replying to the first Q. asked I would be just as pleased if you replied to the rest. Very Sincerely, Dr. Deanna Herrera (Counseling Psychologist, Stevenson College, UCSC) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 From: George Matchette To: Deanna Herrera I suppose I think some shadows are more pathologic than others (kidding), and recognize I'm mixing my psychological metaphors (to analytic psychology, there are complexes and archetypes, but no pathology per se; to more object oriented folks, there's plenty of pathology, but no archetypes, etc.) As far as words being paltry vehicles for expression of experience (the word water is not the drink, etc.) I agree-- however, the experience itself is, well, divine. (Last night I dreamt of a snake in a pet store, who came towards me with something of a grin. When I removed my head, the pet store owner, said, "no, you don't understand. this is a friendly snake." Sure enough, it was friendly, and I petted it with some hesistancy. With touch it soon became a dog, and I thought, now I'm making progress.) Best regards, George Matchette |