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Inner alchemy archives - HomunculusBack to alchemy forum page . Back to Inner alchemy archive.Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 01:51:22 -0800 From: Donald Minson Hey out there, Can anyone give their interpretation of the homonculus and, perhaps, its psychic equivalent?? I have my intuitions as regards subjective applications (and have read a little bit of Jung's) but I'm curious to others' interpretation. Also, what are some of your favorite symbols/allegories for contemplation and why?? One of my fave's is the flask itself... I'm not sure why... any comments? With regard, Donald Minson Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 09:34:43 -0800 From: Belle There is something about that flask that is a semblance of the Egyptian's ankh which is an ansate cross meaning having a handle. It is a hand mirror. Now flip it 180 degrees and you've got a flask of sorts with little distillery pipes to drain off the yucky stuff. Maybe the flask is our own personal hand mirror where we look hard into ourselves at the refection thereby determining if we love it or choose to transmute it? My personal feelings are that we each have no choice. The choice has been made for us by an Eternal Love.And we would do best to be grateful. This idea of homunculus has been difficult for me because the writers are male. Could there be such a form as homuncula? Often the intellect/philosopher has difficulty fitting into the imperfect. Imagine the difficulty of lacking certain body parts as well. It is Not envy as Freud contends, but angst. Hmm? Ankh and angst look similar. Perhaps it was Isis who first felt the painful constriction. My intent here is not to be sexist, but to be peopleists instead. As men strive to see their feminine side, woman must reflect on the masculine. That is a part of the INNER. Peace, Belle Date: 23rd Dec 1996 From: Adam McLean Belle, Often the homunculus could be seen as hermaphrodite. Adam McLean Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:39:16 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Patz >From: Donald Minson >Can anyone give their interpretation of the homonculus and, perhaps, >its psychic equivalent?? Perhaps the homonculus is addressing the concept of thoughts as things, or more precisely the tendency of thoughts and feelings to cohere into patterns of attitude and behaviour. Habits are another way of talking about this. They can be useful. They can be obstacles. And in extreme dissociated cases, they can be monsters. In any case there is a certain amount of autonomy to habititual ways of thinking and feeling. In this case the flask you mention is your mind. Each of us set to cleaning at the commencement of our Work - removing preconceptions, assumptions, conceits about ourselves, about the world around us, and about our Great Work. The homonculus we set out to create, is perhaps the constructive work habits and attitudes that will serve as our assistant in the task at hand. Feedback? Richard Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 00:44:33 -0800 From: Donald Minson Belle wrote: > > There is something about that flask that is a semblance of the Egyptian's > ankh which is an ansate cross meaning having a handle. It is a hand > mirror. Now flip it 180 degrees and you've got a flask of sorts with > little distillery pipes to drain off the yucky stuff. Maybe the flask is > our own personal hand mirror where we look hard into ourselves at the > refection... I agree with the reflective fuction of the retort...the crux anastasa (ankh) is bound with regenerative/rebirth symbolism as well...thus, the significance of its symbolism for eternity...this works well with the idea of the retort... respectfully, Donald Minson Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 21:23:26 -0800 From: Belle Hall > Often the humunculus could be seen as hermaphrodite. I know very well what you are saying to me and understand your kindness in its intent. But does a man who first contemplates the hermaphrodite see emasculation before he sees the uniqueness of the hermaphrodite? I saw confusion in the adrogyny before I saw it as halfway to where I may be going? If that even makes any sense. In a way I answered my own question in that it is what is in the composition of the base metal in the first place that determines how the alchemist sees the initial homoncula. Peace Belle Hall Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 00:43:55 -0800 From: Donald Minson > Richard Patz wrote: > Perhaps the homonculus is addressing the concept of thoughts as things, or > more precisely the tendency of thoughts and feelings to cohere into patterns > of attitude and behaviour. I hadn't looked at it like that, I like it though... I had seen the idea of projection onto the alchemical work...but I hadn't looked at my own manifestations of my own work as an item such as the Homoncolus. > Habits are another way of talking about this. They can be useful. They can > be obstacles. And in extreme dissociated cases, they can be monsters. In any > case there is a certain amount of autonomy to habititual ways of thinking > and feeling. ...habits are a good example of the hermaphroditic qualities of the homonculus, too...observing manifested behaviors I can certainly see amalgamations of parental influences... > In this case the flask you mention is your mind. Each of us set to cleaning > at the commencement of our Work - removing preconceptions, assumptions, > conceits about ourselves, about the world around us, and about our Great Work. I had looked at the flask as a specific function of the mind...a role of containment for distilling and sublimating qualities or modes of behavior/operation...I look at it as the field of imagination with protective borders, borders that can only contain so much so that I don't confuse so many unnecessary associations when developing on one idea or effort...Jung talked of the Paracelcian idea of the heart as the imagination (either in P&A or Alch. Studies) and also the idea of the egg...in either place the "sunpoint' or the fire i.e., the libido/psychic energy, existed within to focus, heat up, concentrate on the imaginative work...in any event the idea of containment is stressed. It seems very logical to me to assign a "place" where the ideas don't contaminate other ideas--no leaking out of that particular substance iinto any place it doesn't belong. A model or personification is such a container. In this way I can recognize a particular characteristic belonging to a particular character, identify it and put it in the "proper" container rather than say let my depression about one issue invade another facet of my life...it is difficult, of course, but sometimes effective. > The homonculus we set out to create, is perhaps the constructive work habits > and attitudes that will serve as our assistant in the task at hand. Nice image...I'll use that...thanks. Respectfully, D Minson Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 02:58:34 -0500 From: Bernard Bovasso Belle writes: >This idea of homunculus has been difficult for me because the > writers are male. Could there be such a form as homuncula? >Often the intellect/philosopher has difficulty fitting into the imperfect. >Imagine the difficulty of lacking certain body parts as well. >It is Not envy as Freud contends, but angst. Hmm? Ankh and angst >look similar. Perhaps it was Isis who first felt the painful constriction. >My intent here is not to be sexist, but to be peopleists instead. As >men strive to see their feminine side, woman must reflect on the >masculine. Belle: The homunculus as literally "little man" is especially significant from the standpoint of the feminine psychology. In Jung's approach to the psyche it would indicate the animus, or an endopsychic, contrasexual figure and, as such, a nascent masculine principle necessary as complement to the femine psychology. Since the animus is more spirit, in the sense of *geist,* Logos and mind, rather than soul (*anima*) it is especially developmental. Hence, the little man, Tom Thumb, homunculus, etc., indicate a potential for inner spiritual growth. But in the alchemical sense the differentiation is preceded by the homunculus as hermaphroditic and the event of Sol and Luna, animus and anima, as one person, first in fusion, then separation and again as the conniunctio in a process performed in the *vas hermeticum* or curcubita, the vessel to the inner or uterine waters. In this sense the homunculus *separates out* and rises, representing the freeing of the Mercurius from physis. In the psychological case this would represent for the woman a rising up (qua "liberation," "consciousness raising") of the animus to fuller assertion of her inner (as spiritual) potential. Bernard Bovasso Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 01:21:14 -0800 From: Donald Minson Belle wrote: > > > Often the humunculus could be seen as hermaphrodite. > > But does a man who first contemplates the hermaphrodite > see emasculation before he sees the uniqueness of the hermaphrodite? I, as a male, do not see emasculation...my encounters with the hermaphrodite weren't with the homonculus...they were of Mercurius and I was elated to find such an archaic symbol of masculine/feminine conjunction...a union within rather than projected without was such a relief. Rather than projecting my own unique and DEMANDING feminine side onto the women of my life I can now give them a more rewarding relationship rather than a confusing mixture of numinous adulation and rejection for not meeting with an image that was my own...the power Bernard spoke of is very real for some men, perhaps for all at some point, say adolescence??...but I feel it is only associated to the genitals by way of this same projection...to remove a part of oneself and cast it on to another is to be pulled to it and without understanding its powerful draw one may feel so alienated so as to respond in a way compensatory to inferiority and place the power onto the obvious "connection" to that physically manifested, "material" image...perhaps this inspired the initial divorce from the body---similarly, the clean eye of the soul Br. Athanasius spoke of--about which the alchemists were so explicit... Respectfully, From: Donald Minson |